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KingVoid

Exediron and King Void (in locked thread) - why Russell over Verstappen? Maybe because Verstappen threw away two podiums by driving-mistakes? Just guessing, of course. Verstappen had a bad race in Silverstone but Russell had an even worse one so it can’t be that. The tiebreaker for me is simple: Ve...

KingVoid

Here is how I voted in the poll: 1 Russell 2 Verstappen 3 Leclerc 4 Piastri 5 Norris 6 Alonso 7 Albon 8 Hulkenberg 9 Hadjar 10 Hamilton 11 Bearman 12 Gasly 13 Ocon 14 Sainz 15 Antonelli 16 Bortoleto 17 Stroll 18 Tsunoda 19 Lawson The biggest disparity between my own ranking and this one is that I ge...

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As we are 12 races into a 24 race calendar year, this is my mid-season ranking: 21. Doohan 20. Colapinto 19. Lawson 18. Stroll 17. Tsunoda 16. Bortoleto 15. Sainz 14. Antonelli 13. Ocon 12. Gasly 11. Bearman 10. Hamilton 9. Hadjar 8. Albon 7. Hulkenberg 6. Alonso 5. Norris 4. Piastri 3. Leclerc 2. V...

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https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/54597876226_10e291f09a_b.jpg Gasly vs his teammates (average finishing position) GAS v HAR (11.5-13.7): -2.2 GAS v VER (7.9-3.3): +4.4 GAS v KVY (9.1-10.7): -1.5 GAS v TSU (9.7-12.4): -2.7 GAS v OCO (10.2-11.2): -1.0 GAS v DOO (10.2-14.8): -4.6 GAS v COL (12.0-14...

KingVoid

Verstappen magificent lap - extracting everything out of that Red Bull. I mean, he didn't. He made a mistake at T1, and clearly could have gone faster. He got pole because both McLaren drivers made bigger mistakes, but this wasn't anything Suzuka-level perfect. He still went purple in S1, the slide...

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mikeyg123 wrote: ↑
Sat May 03, 2025 9:22 pm
Verstappen has 50% Grand Prix poles this season. I don't think he's had the fastest car for any of them.

I guess becoming a dad didn't slow him down!

Mick Schumacher was born in 1999 after all

KingVoid

I was planning to do this post in this thread, but mikey's comment from two weeks ago prompted me to do it early, and I was going to update, but somebody beat me to the punch. 1914424182055878973 Remarkable that Max has the most points over that span of races, which includes him and Oscar getting t...

KingVoid

The comparison you look to make says it all really. I don't see any comparison that I made. Were you instead referring to the red flags that brough Lewis back from nearly a lap down in Imola? Or Bottas going bowling against Verstappen in Hungary? All good ones but again nothing I would describe as ...

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This whole Bottas debate is part of the broader narrative that ultimately revolves around Hamilton's standing in the sport. If having the beating of Massa at the end of his career is now considered some major achievement, whilst Massa was never considered amongst the very best even even in during h...

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I wouldn't be looking to dismiss Verstappen's titles apart from the 2021 fiasco, has someone be criticising Perez which caused Bottas to be brought forward for criticism? Lewis taking the win in Silverstone despite taking his title-rival out is hardly a fiasco :-P The comparison you look to make sa...

KingVoid

This whole Bottas debate is part of the broader narrative that ultimately revolves around Hamilton's standing in the sport. If having the beating of Massa at the end of his career is now considered some major achievement, whilst Massa was never considered amongst the very best even even in during h...

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Nah, not really. I've never perceived Bottas as being particularly close to Hamilton. You are not answering the question, Bottas outqualified Hamilton about 30% of the time and his median gap to Lewis was around 0.150% If Gasly did this to Verstappen, would you think less of Verstappen or more of G...

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Nah, not really. I've never perceived Bottas as being particularly close to Hamilton. You are not answering the question, Bottas outqualified Hamilton about 30% of the time and his median gap to Lewis was around 0.150% If Gasly did this to Verstappen, would you think less of Verstappen or more of G...

KingVoid

This whole Bottas debate is part of the broader narrative that ultimately revolves around Hamilton's standing in the sport. If having the beating of Massa at the end of his career is now considered some major achievement, whilst Massa was never considered amongst the very best even even in during h...

KingVoid

I hope we're not trying to argue that semi-rookie Gasly was better than peak (or thereabouts) Bottas, are we? If so, ffs, why? There is no such thing as a semi-rookie. He was 1.5 years older than Verstappen, began his F1 career in 2017, and raced for Red Bull in 2019. I have a simple question: if G...

KingVoid

This whole Bottas debate is part of the broader narrative that ultimately revolves around Hamilton's standing in the sport. If having the beating of Massa at the end of his career is now considered some major achievement, whilst Massa was never considered amongst the very best even even in during h...

KingVoid

And Peterson beat Ickx at Lotus. I haven't seen much from Ocon that comes even close to Massa. Massa was winless for over half a decade prior to teaming up with Bottas while his teammate took 2 championships to the wire in the same car. Some formidable opponent that is. But once again, I will ask y...

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And Peterson beat Ickx at Lotus. I haven't seen much from Ocon that comes even close to Massa. Massa was winless for over half a decade prior to teaming up with Bottas while his teammate took 2 championships to the wire in the same car. Some formidable opponent that is. But once again, I will ask y...

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And Peterson beat Ickx at Lotus. I haven't seen much from Ocon that comes even close to Massa. Massa was winless for over half a decade prior to teaming up with Bottas while his teammate took 2 championships to the wire in the same car. Some formidable opponent that is. But once again, I will ask y...

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I hope we're not trying to argue that semi-rookie Gasly was better than peak (or thereabouts) Bottas, are we? If so, ffs, why? There is no such thing as a semi-rookie. He was 1.5 years older than Verstappen, began his F1 career in 2017, and raced for Red Bull in 2019. I have a simple question: if G...

KingVoid

I hope we're not trying to argue that semi-rookie Gasly was better than peak (or thereabouts) Bottas, are we? If so, ffs, why? There is no such thing as a semi-rookie. He was 1.5 years older than Verstappen, began his F1 career in 2017, and raced for Red Bull in 2019. I have a simple question: if G...

KingVoid

No particular opinion on whether Bottas or Gasly were better 2019 onwards. I don't think there's much in it. In the period we are looking at though Bottas didn't beat anyone the calibre of Massa either. The only driver he beat was Zhou. Bottas was 23-23 in head to head race finishes against Massa w...

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This always come back in circles. Bottas was good because he could challenge Hamilton at times. And Hamilton is good because he won 4 WDCs against him. ;) Gasly and Albon is at least as good as Bottas v1223133 or whatever version you pick. Did Gasly or Albon convincingly beat a driver of the calibr...

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Gasly and Albon ahead of Bottas? No way! Are we back in the times where the more radical Schumacher fans argued that Barrichello was the second best driver of the world...? :lol: Honestly, what was ever so good about Bottas? Unless you're pulling my leg of course :? This always come back in circles...

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I think it is safe to say that both Gasly and Albon are ahead to Bottas in that list and probably ahead of Vettel too if we look at 2021 onwards. Now Sainz is interesting on that list as is Russell too. I know people will say that Sainz was behind Leclerc, but he is presently behind Albon as well. ...

KingVoid

Verstappen winning this poll right now is frankly hilarious because McLaren is so obviously and clearly the best car, while Red Bull isn’t really better than Mercedes or Ferrari. The belief that even big Verstappen detractors have in his superiority over the rest of the grid is quite something.

KingVoid

I've probably said it here before, but it's the entire package that you need to design for. If you have a special capability, you incorporate that capability into your design. Maybe you have "unobtainium", maybe you have a Verstappen; the point is that it's the entire system that wins races, not th...

KingVoid

What exactly is the point of all this commotion and discussion on this thread other than mostly just making excuses for why Hamilton’s prime had significantly more slumps than Verstappen’s.

KingVoid

I believe some past world champions liked understeering cars, Prost, Button, it doesn't change my opinion of Red Bull being more about producing a car for Verstappen which makes the car undriveable for other drivers, maybe they should concentrate more on making the car actually go faster. I think y...

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Exediron wrote: ↑
Sun Apr 06, 2025 3:03 am

KingVoid wrote: ↑
Sun Apr 06, 2025 1:52 am
The fact that Verstappen is the best driver over one lap on the grid is quite funny, because qualifying is his weakest skillset relative to all his other skill sets.
It might be funny, if he was.

Well who else would it be

KingVoid

The fact that Verstappen is the best driver over one lap on the grid is quite funny, because qualifying is his weakest skillset relative to all his other skill sets.

KingVoid

I think you are missing the (important) point that this applies to when they are driving the Redbull cars. Based on how much closer Perez has been to Verstappen when the car was easier to drive I think the gap would be much smaller. The gap between Verstappen and Perez has stayed comfortable and st...

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I think you are missing the (important) point that this applies to when they are driving the Redbull cars. Based on how much closer Perez has been to Verstappen when the car was easier to drive I think the gap would be much smaller. The gap between Verstappen and Perez has stayed comfortable and st...

KingVoid

From 2019 to 2024, we have seen three very well established midfielders drive the Red Bull car and the results have always been approximately the same. They are around 0.500% slower than Verstappen, in the case of Perez this was very consistent from season to season. Over a 6 year sample size, diff...

KingVoid

From 2019 to 2024, we have seen three very well established midfielders drive the Red Bull car and the results have always been approximately the same. They are around 0.500% slower than Verstappen, in the case of Perez this was very consistent from season to season. Over a 6 year sample size, diff...

KingVoid

From 2019 to 2024, we have seen three very well established midfielders drive the Red Bull car and the results have always been approximately the same. They are around 0.500% slower than Verstappen, in the case of Perez this was very consistent from season to season. Over a 6 year sample size, diffe...

KingVoid

The 2007 Ferrari was hardly a dominant car, so a driver close to but not on the ultimate pace can become world champion without having a dominant car. Only by virtue of both faster drivers simultaneously throwing away their opportunity at the title. Additionally, that comparison calls somewhat into...

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I mean, Hamilton did take a victory of sorts in the China sprint race, but in terms of Grands Prix, is this back on the menu given Ferrari's start to the season and given a stonking set of new regs coming in 2026? Even if Ferrari are in the fight for a few wins this season, I would not be at all su...

KingVoid

At present, I would say that Verstappen could (and did) win the title in a somewhat inferior car, Leclerc, Norris, Russell and maybe Piastri could win in the equal best car, Hamilton would need a slight car advantage, Sainz and Albon would need a fair dose of car advantage, and everyone else would ...

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Albon was a rookie against Verstappen, Lawson is the latest rookie going against him, ultimately that becomes a problem with fully assessing Verstappen. Whilst all of that is true, Albon was highly regarded before he was put alongside Verstappen and Pérez wasn't looking too shabby either. Red Bull'...

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