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by POBRatings
Wed Mar 31, 2021 1:43 pm
Forum: Hall of Fame
Topic: POBRatings Memorial Thread
Replies: 119
Views: 57961

Re: Sad news

Hi Catherine - first off, my condolences yet again to you and Brendan and the rest of the O'Brien family. As I said 4 years ago - the anecdote that Brendan shared about his Porsche 911 trip was heart-warming, and the picture of him at Falling water is something that's etched in my memory. Hopefully...
by POBRatings
Tue Mar 23, 2021 4:02 pm
Forum: Hall of Fame
Topic: POBRatings Memorial Thread
Replies: 119
Views: 57961

Re: Sad news

Thanks for the tips! :)
by POBRatings
Tue Mar 23, 2021 1:08 pm
Forum: Hall of Fame
Topic: POBRatings Memorial Thread
Replies: 119
Views: 57961

Re: Sad news

Thank you for the lovely words and sentiments about POB. I shared the link to this thread with some (non GP-following) relatives and they responded: 'Those tributes to your dad and his work are remarkable. He clearly made a huge contribution to the motor racing historiography. Let's hope that the in...
by POBRatings
Wed Mar 17, 2021 8:30 am
Forum: Hall of Fame
Topic: POBRatings Memorial Thread
Replies: 119
Views: 57961

Re: Sad news

Invade wrote:
Wed Mar 17, 2021 8:18 am
Can't actually believe it's been 4 years already. I do miss Patrick's presence here. He was so attentive and insightful but also the supreme gentleman.

Good to see that his work is being continued.
Thank you for your kind words about POB. Yes, unbelievable that it's been 4 years already.
by POBRatings
Wed Mar 17, 2021 8:20 am
Forum: Hall of Fame
Topic: POBRatings Memorial Thread
Replies: 119
Views: 57961

Re: Sad news

Thanks mikeyg123. Your kind comment from 4 years ago today has not been forgotten: "He probably pushed F1 metrics forward further than anybody else has ever done and his contribution will not be forgotten." ~ mikeyg123, Fri Mar 17, 2017 3:44 pm, http://forum.planet-f1.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=14138 I...
by POBRatings
Wed Mar 17, 2021 8:07 am
Forum: Hall of Fame
Topic: POBRatings Memorial Thread
Replies: 119
Views: 57961

Re: Sad news

Happy St Patrick's Day. Today is the 4th anniversary of POB's death. Continuing POB's self-published book series of F1 analyses, Nuno Moreira is working on the 2017-2019 volume, applying POB's Grand Prix Rating System. Here are his latest thoughts on it: 'I don't think we will see a system that even...
by POBRatings
Mon Sep 09, 2019 9:56 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Best F1 driver ever?
Replies: 465
Views: 87151

Re: Best F1 driver ever?

Well I'll have to respectfully disagree! I can't see how it's possible. I totally agree that some produce more reliable results but ultimately you're going to have the same list of @20 drivers just with slight differences in order. But however clever the system, however many variables are factored ...
by POBRatings
Mon Sep 09, 2019 9:40 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Best F1 driver ever?
Replies: 465
Views: 87151

Re: Best F1 driver ever?

Obviously, such a system is 'practically' impossible. It's like dividing by zero - but just as you get closer to zero, the output gets closer and closer to infinity - it would be possible to start getting closer and closer to an objective and accurate system with smaller and smaller error bars. But...
by POBRatings
Mon Aug 26, 2019 4:20 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Best F1 driver ever?
Replies: 465
Views: 87151

Re: Best F1 driver ever?

Response by POB's daughter Catherine, using his log-in: POB's Rating System incorporates both raw statistics and subjective opinion - but this is not unconstrained opinion in that if one is taking into account the same 'secondary measures' that he is considering, one would have a high chance of com...
by POBRatings
Mon Aug 26, 2019 10:20 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Best F1 driver ever?
Replies: 465
Views: 87151

Re: Best F1 driver ever?

A lot of people make the point that success in F1 is car-dependent. Fair enough, but as I think I said, the best drivers tend to get the best cars, so isn't the playing field thus level again? Maybe it's the statistican in me that wants to define numerically who is the best ! Maybe my way is not th...
by POBRatings
Mon Aug 26, 2019 9:21 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Best F1 driver ever?
Replies: 465
Views: 87151

Re: Best F1 driver ever?

My method explicitly ignores the evolutionary changes in the sport Your method does no such thing. It arbitrarily gives WDC twice the points of a second place? why? What if someone else thinks the ratio should be 3:1? Or 7:2? Or any other figure? Fair enough, but I have to start somewhere! I don't ...
by POBRatings
Sun Aug 25, 2019 3:00 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Best F1 driver ever?
Replies: 465
Views: 87151

Re: Best F1 driver ever?

A lot of people make the point that success in F1 is car-dependent. Fair enough, but as I think I said, the best drivers tend to get the best cars, so isn't the playing field thus level again? Maybe it's the statistican in me that wants to define numerically who is the best ! Maybe my way is not th...
by POBRatings
Sun Aug 25, 2019 10:19 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Best F1 driver ever?
Replies: 465
Views: 87151

Re: Best F1 driver ever?

Chaps, it can't be done. POB System was meticulous but flawed as any other. The problem is there is no single marker to use as your baseline. Last year's Ferrari won't go down as a Championship one, but I think it would have been in the hands of Alonso or Hamilton. Barrichello was pretty handy but ...
by POBRatings
Sun Mar 17, 2019 11:46 am
Forum: Hall of Fame
Topic: POBRatings Memorial Thread
Replies: 119
Views: 57961

Re: Sad news

Today is the 2nd anniversary of my dad's death - on St Patrick's Day. Time has flown. My last Christmas present to him was Alain de Botton's 'The Consolations of Philosophy', which he read on Christmas day 2016. He had a great habit of sitting down instantly to use/ read any gifts you gave him - so ...
by POBRatings
Sun May 27, 2018 7:33 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Who is the best F1 driver ever?
Replies: 106
Views: 34130

Re: Who is the best F1 driver ever?

I put more stock in Patrick O'Brien's assessments. http://grandprixratings.blogspot.ca/ I still miss you Patrick, RIP my friend. I was also going to say Patrick's ratings are still the best by far. He worked on his formula for so long, taking driver, car and overall package into account from their ...
by POBRatings
Tue Oct 10, 2017 10:03 pm
Forum: Hall of Fame
Topic: POBRatings Memorial Thread
Replies: 119
Views: 57961

Re: Sad news

Thanks for explaining how to clear my PM inbox etc without losing anything. If possible, could you just send it to this email address?: centuryofracing AT gmail.com I’m sure my dad misses his interchanges with all of you. He was a true Gemini in that he lived and breathed for communicating with peop...
by POBRatings
Sun Oct 08, 2017 2:19 pm
Forum: Hall of Fame
Topic: POBRatings Memorial Thread
Replies: 119
Views: 57961

Re: Sad news

Looking at the dates on the posts I extracted, the forum change must have happened at the beginning of March 2012 as those are the earliest posts that I have (from March 2nd) I have created a PDF (863 pages long) of all of those posts. Thanks, I've just PM'd you but there's no evidence of the messa...
by POBRatings
Sun Oct 08, 2017 1:16 pm
Forum: Hall of Fame
Topic: POBRatings Memorial Thread
Replies: 119
Views: 57961

Re: Sad news

Thank you for your responses and offers of IT expertise. It is just posts from 2011 that I am looking for, not pre-2011, as my dad only joined in 2011. Thanks for the kind words Alienturnedhuman and F1Oz. More than 6 months after my dad passed away, all the messages here continue to be a comfort. Al...
by POBRatings
Sat Oct 07, 2017 2:35 pm
Forum: Hall of Fame
Topic: POBRatings Memorial Thread
Replies: 119
Views: 57961

Re: Sad news

He was a great guy who provided both great analysis and historical insight to this forum and i recommend all new readers to review​ his body of posts here* for their high signal to noise content. I felt deeply honoured when we agreed so many times and i wish his spirit well. * http://tinyurl.com/mj...
by POBRatings
Mon Mar 27, 2017 7:40 am
Forum: Hall of Fame
Topic: POBRatings Memorial Thread
Replies: 119
Views: 57961

Re: Sad news

I've just read this thread and I was crushed by the news. As a Brazilian, although I've been posting very little in the last few years, I'd always exchange bits of information with Patrick about the great Brazilian drivers, especially Piquet who, it seems, was one of his favorite drivers from my co...
by POBRatings
Mon Mar 20, 2017 10:32 pm
Forum: Hall of Fame
Topic: POBRatings Memorial Thread
Replies: 119
Views: 57961

Re: Sad news

You know, I read this last night and I wanted to write something in response but was literally so choked up, both from your sad loss and the fact this awesome time was your last physical interaction with your dad. I have three mongrels and I do so many things they love to do because I want to share...
by POBRatings
Mon Mar 20, 2017 5:21 pm
Forum: Hall of Fame
Topic: POBRatings Memorial Thread
Replies: 119
Views: 57961

Re: Sad news

You know, I read this last night and I wanted to write something in response but was literally so choked up, both from your sad loss and the fact this awesome time was your last physical interaction with your dad. I have three mongrels and I do so many things they love to do because I want to share...
by POBRatings
Mon Mar 20, 2017 1:15 pm
Forum: Hall of Fame
Topic: POBRatings Memorial Thread
Replies: 119
Views: 57961

Re: Sad news

The messages from everyone in this thread are of as much solace as the many we've received from friends and family over these past days. My dad always had seemingly bottomless reserves of energy and time to encourage and help others in their own endeavours, regardless of his own extremely busy life....
by POBRatings
Mon Mar 20, 2017 11:27 am
Forum: Hall of Fame
Topic: POBRatings Memorial Thread
Replies: 119
Views: 57961

Re: Sad news

There is no theory of evolution, just a list of animals that Chuck Norris allows to live. My dad loved Chuck Norris Facts. In particular: "Chuck Norris converted God to atheism" and "Chuck Norris counted to infinity, twice". He even came up with one of his own: "Other people have the bottom fall ou...
by POBRatings
Mon Mar 20, 2017 2:34 am
Forum: Hall of Fame
Topic: POBRatings Memorial Thread
Replies: 119
Views: 57961

Re: Sad news

Terribly sad news. While I respect most forumers here, POB was one who's posts became almost compulsory reading for me. His knowledge, his wonderful anecdotes and his statistical contributions will be sadly missed. To Catherine. If you dad conducted himself in his day to day life as he conducted hi...
by POBRatings
Sun Mar 19, 2017 3:29 pm
Forum: Hall of Fame
Topic: POBRatings Memorial Thread
Replies: 119
Views: 57961

Re: Sad news

Hello everyone, my name is Brendan O’Brien – I’m Patrick’s son. Our family’s grief since he died on Friday morning has been almost unbearable. I wanted to take the time to post though because, although my dad had many and varied interests and a wide group of friends across the world, F1 was his pass...
by POBRatings
Fri Mar 17, 2017 8:46 pm
Forum: Hall of Fame
Topic: POBRatings Memorial Thread
Replies: 119
Views: 57961

Re: Sad news

Very sad and unexpected news, RIP POB, one of the best members here. I hope he is on the other side laughing that the workings of his excellent ratings system were never revealed. He is going to be missed around here, judging by his excellent anecdotes from the 60s onwards and vast knowledge, I am ...
by POBRatings
Fri Mar 17, 2017 8:09 pm
Forum: Hall of Fame
Topic: POBRatings Memorial Thread
Replies: 119
Views: 57961

Re: Sad news

Just to let everyone know that my father Patrick O'Brien died of a heart attack in France this morning. He was an enthusiastic member of this forum. Will write more later. Catherine O'Brien in Cambridge, UK. Thank you for all your kind words. Your comments about my dad are a huge comfort. Best fath...
by POBRatings
Fri Mar 17, 2017 3:13 pm
Forum: Hall of Fame
Topic: POBRatings Memorial Thread
Replies: 119
Views: 57961

POBRatings Memorial Thread

Just to let everyone know that my father Patrick O'Brien died of a heart attack in France this morning. He was an enthusiastic member of this forum.

Will write more later.

Catherine O'Brien in Cambridge, UK.
by POBRatings
Thu Mar 16, 2017 9:13 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Driver speed advantages
Replies: 42
Views: 12118

Re: Driver speed advantages

Before F1 in the thirties (on my System) the gaps between the top drivers Chiron, Nuvolari, Varzi, Wimille, Caracciola and Rosemeyer were much the same as today between Alonso, Hamilton, Vettel, etc. Moss's wide advantage in 1959-1960 was exceptional, and not matched in the F1 era.
by POBRatings
Thu Mar 16, 2017 8:46 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Looks like Honda sorted their Indycars (lots more HP), F1?
Replies: 26
Views: 7063

Re: Looks like Honda sorted their Indycars (lots more HP), F

Thanks for the clarification. Sounds as if Indycars are a lot cheaper to produce and run than F1 cars. I could not believe Chevy themselves were working on race cars and engines, out of the back door as in musclecar and Chaparral days. Seems as if the Chevvy name (how many vees?) is just for marketi...
by POBRatings
Thu Mar 16, 2017 6:15 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Will Hülkenberg ever get a podium? - Bumped x2
Replies: 63
Views: 14064

Re: Will Hülkenberg ever get a podium? - Bumped x2

I think Hulk and Perez were equal driver-rated in 2015 and 2016, and that both are under-rated. Also agree that Palmer is showing promise, but was not yet at Hulk's level as at end 2016. I voted for a podium for Hulk but of course it all depends on the Renault. Always one of my favourite teams. What...
by POBRatings
Thu Mar 16, 2017 5:14 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Looks like Honda sorted their Indycars (lots more HP), F1?
Replies: 26
Views: 7063

Re: Looks like Honda sorted their Indycars (lots more HP), F

What type of engines are permitted in Indycar Formula these days?
What configuration is the Chevy and who builds it?
Any other engine-builders apart from Chevy and Honda?
What are the power outputs?
by POBRatings
Thu Mar 16, 2017 3:38 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Package speed advantages
Replies: 25
Views: 7955

Re: Package speed advantages

Some very close Package times were recorded in practice for the 1963 Italian GP at Monza. After the first day's practice using the 10 km lap of the banked oval and the road course, the Police prohibited the use of the banking due to lack of spectator safety precautions. The teams and many drivers we...
by POBRatings
Wed Mar 15, 2017 4:21 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Package speed advantages
Replies: 25
Views: 7955

Re: Package speed advantages

The last season that any Package had as much speed advantage over its fastest rival Package as the 2015 Hamilton/Mercedes, was in 2002:the Schumacher /Ferrari was 0.5 faster than the Ralf Schumacher/Williams-BMW. All the seasons in between (2003-2014) the gaps were much closer. In 2015 the Hamilton/...
by POBRatings
Wed Mar 15, 2017 12:35 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: WDC package-ratings
Replies: 8
Views: 3377

Re: WDC package-ratings

Should Mercedes in 2014-2016 or Ferrari 1996-2006 have had team orders/a definite number one driver? Ferrari score din terms of marketing and media exposure by favouring Michael Schumacher. Whereas Mercedes, like Mclaren-Honda years earlier, allowed their two drivers to compete. Allowing team-mates ...
by POBRatings
Wed Mar 15, 2017 7:45 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: WDC driver-ratings
Replies: 12
Views: 4797

Re: WDC driver-ratings

Who'd have thought Jim Clark, one of the cleanest and fairest of WDCs, would ever blatantly jump a Grand Prix start? 1963 belgian GP at Spa. ON this old, 14km per lap version of the great ciurcyuit, the pits were immediately after La Source hairpin, on the right-hand side going downhill towards Eau ...
by POBRatings
Tue Mar 14, 2017 3:32 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: WDC Car-ratings
Replies: 3
Views: 2121

Re: WDC Car-ratings

The 1961 'Sharknose' Ferrari gave its WDC driver Phil Hill the greatest car advantage of all: it was 0.7 faster than the next fastest rival car, the Cooper-Climax Type 55. This compares to the 0.4 to 0.5 advantages by the 2014-2016 Mercedes over its next-fastest rival cars. In 1992 the Williams-Rena...
by POBRatings
Mon Mar 13, 2017 7:17 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: The Official Williams F1 thread
Replies: 148
Views: 56097

Re: The Official Williams F1 thread

It could not have been easy for Williams to negotiate losing Bottas, but good for them being tough and getting a tech advantage from Mercedes. I was surprised that Williams did not do better last year with Pat Symonds on board, but perhaps he was to late to have much effect on the car design? Let's ...
by POBRatings
Mon Mar 13, 2017 5:30 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: John Surtees 1934-2017
Replies: 34
Views: 8153

Re: John Surtees 1934-2017

:thumbup: Lotus49 and Mikey and others above here. If one considers that Robert Mugabe (Pres of Zimbabwe) was knighted or OBEd (not sure if any difference?) in 1994, maybe the award-givers' judgement is dubious.