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by POBRatings
Sat Apr 22, 2023 4:47 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Final copies of POB's 1994 book now on sale
Replies: 5
Views: 1164

Re: Final copies of POB's 1994 book now on sale

Fiki wrote:
Fri Apr 21, 2023 6:28 pm
Yes, I would like a copy as well! Thanks Exediron for posting that email address.
POB's daughter Catherine here, using his log-in:
Hi @Fiki, please use POB's email <centuryofracing AT gmail.com>, and we can give further details!
by POBRatings
Fri Apr 21, 2023 11:29 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Final copies of POB's 1994 book now on sale
Replies: 5
Views: 1164

Re: Final copies of POB's 1994 book now on sale

Thank you for the heads up; I think I will take the opportunity to pick up a copy. I always enjoyed Patrick's insight, and it was a highlight whenever he would pop into a thread to offer some anecdote or story about classic era drivers, or join the debate about current ones. My own knowledge of pre...
by POBRatings
Thu Apr 20, 2023 8:15 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Final copies of POB's 1994 book now on sale
Replies: 5
Views: 1164

Final copies of POB's 1994 book now on sale

POB's daughter Catherine here, using his log-in: As many of the longstanding forum members will remember, my father Patrick O’Brien (‘POB’) was a long-time contributor to this forum and enjoyed discussing his passion for F1 with many of you. At the time of his death on St Patrick’s Day 2017, his de...
by POBRatings
Thu Apr 20, 2023 6:47 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Best F1 driver ever?
Replies: 507
Views: 129009

Re: Best F1 driver ever?

POB's daughter Catherine here, using his log-in:

Thank you for the heads-up @Covalent and @Mod Indigo. That's helpful to know. I appreciate the consideration.
by POBRatings
Mon Apr 17, 2023 9:27 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Best F1 driver ever?
Replies: 507
Views: 129009

Re: Best F1 driver ever?

POB's daughter Catherine here, using his log-in: The following PM, which I've tried to send to the Moderators as per Forum rules, has been sitting in my Outbox for several days - not sure why it's not appearing in the Sent folder so I assume it's not actually been sent. I've tried it both with and ...
by POBRatings
Fri Oct 28, 2022 9:51 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Best F1 driver ever?
Replies: 507
Views: 129009

Re: Best F1 driver ever?

POB's daughter Catherine here, using his log-in: Although being plagiarised is a horrible feeling, it’s gratifying to know that the theft (unacknowledged and unattributed use of POB’s ideas, innovation and analytical turns) is apparent to others, not only to us, his family. The following comment wa...
by POBRatings
Sun Oct 17, 2021 3:42 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Best F1 driver ever?
Replies: 507
Views: 129009

Re: Best F1 driver ever?

POB's daughter Catherine here, using his log-in: Although being plagiarised is a horrible feeling, it’s gratifying to know that the theft (unacknowledged and unattributed use of POB’s ideas, innovation and analytical turns) is apparent to others, not only to us, his family. The following comment wa...
by POBRatings
Fri Oct 01, 2021 5:15 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Best F1 driver ever?
Replies: 507
Views: 129009

Re: Best F1 driver ever?

POB's daughter Catherine here, using his log-in: All of those pictures are the 2018 w09 Mercedes, I can tell from the helmet alone. The yellow/gold helmet is 2018 Abu Dhabi special gold to celebrate the title win. OK thanks for confirming. I'll go with: "2018 Mercedes AMG F1 W09 / Lewis Hamilton". ...
by POBRatings
Fri Oct 01, 2021 3:04 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Best F1 driver ever?
Replies: 507
Views: 129009

Re: Best F1 driver ever?

POB's daughter Catherine here, using his log-in: Thank you for these responses about the names of these cars: https://grandprixratings.blogspot.com/2021/09/request-for-car-names-can-you-provide.html I'm trying to label drawings of this car/ these cars. If there are clear distinctions between them, ...
by POBRatings
Fri Oct 01, 2021 2:33 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Best F1 driver ever?
Replies: 507
Views: 129009

Re: Best F1 driver ever?

POB's daughter Catherine here, using his log-in: So here's an interesting angle on this. In discussion with a friend on this topic and he posed the question who, from the list of multiple WDC's (say 2+) managed to win those titles with the least overall advantage in terms of 1) car superiority and ...
by POBRatings
Thu Sep 30, 2021 1:01 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Best F1 driver ever?
Replies: 507
Views: 129009

Re: Best F1 driver ever?

POB's daughter Catherine here, using his log-in: Can anyone help me with labelling 6 pictures of Formula One cars? I tried uploading the pictures with Photobucket but it seems one has to pay for 'hosting bandwidth'. and I don't think I'd use it often enough. I therefore got the idea to post the pic...
by POBRatings
Thu Sep 02, 2021 8:45 pm
Forum: Hall of Fame
Topic: POBRatings Memorial Thread
Replies: 121
Views: 97573

Re: POBRatings Memorial Thread

Thanks for doing this for POB! He'd be bowled over - touched and honoured by this wonderful testament that he was able to connect with so many on this forum. :proud: In terms of AWS/Formula1.com and Autosport.com appearing to use, unacknowledged and unattributed, POB’s innovation and contribution to...
by POBRatings
Thu Sep 02, 2021 9:52 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Best F1 driver ever?
Replies: 507
Views: 129009

Re: Best F1 driver ever?

POB's daughter Catherine here, using his log-in: I've just had a look at Autosport.com's 'supertimes': https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/top-formula-1-teams-must-be-saubers-trigger-going-into-2019-5283233/5283233/ Autosport.com’s Supertimes bear a noteworthy resemblance to the POB system in terms o...
by POBRatings
Thu Sep 02, 2021 8:23 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Best F1 driver ever?
Replies: 507
Views: 129009

Re: Best F1 driver ever?

POB's daughter Catherine here, using his log-in: I think we are looking at two things here, who are the fastest drivers and who are the best drivers, fastest drivers can be measured by lap times, best drivers you then include all the things that you mentioned, so one is data driven and the other pe...
by POBRatings
Mon Aug 30, 2021 2:06 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Best F1 driver ever?
Replies: 507
Views: 129009

Re: Best F1 driver ever?

POB's daughter Catherine here, using his log-in: The problem with using race times is that drivers are not always driving at full speed, the only time they are doing this is in qualifying and that's why qualifying is often used to determine who are the fastest drivers. Like you say being fast over ...
by POBRatings
Mon Aug 30, 2021 10:33 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Best F1 driver ever?
Replies: 507
Views: 129009

Re: Best F1 driver ever?

POB's daughter Catherine here, using his log-in: I’ve had a read-through of what I will call ‘Smedley’s system’ (albeit it was co-authored) on Amazon Web Services (AWS): The fastest driver in Formula 1 by Rob Smedley, Colby Wise, Delger Enkhbayar, George Price, Ryan Cheng, and Guang Yang | on 20 AU...
by POBRatings
Mon Aug 30, 2021 10:25 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Best F1 driver ever?
Replies: 507
Views: 129009

Re: Best F1 driver ever?

POB's daughter Catherine here, using his log-in: I recall that this official ranking has come up on here before, although I couldn't find the discussion. I'll do my best to answer the questions you pose: 1) Although they haven't made the precise methodology public, my belief is that this is the cor...
by POBRatings
Sun Aug 29, 2021 3:47 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Best F1 driver ever?
Replies: 507
Views: 129009

Re: Best F1 driver ever?

Browsing the blog article, this AWS work sounds more like regular big data analytics, not machine learning. Machine learning (particularly deep learning) usually involves training a model with sample data, and then using it to predict outcomes on a totally different data set. E.g., you give it a se...
by POBRatings
Sat Aug 28, 2021 2:43 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Best F1 driver ever?
Replies: 507
Views: 129009

Re: Best F1 driver ever?

POB's daughter Catherine here, using his log-in: My background: little knowledge of F1 racing but an interest in my dad’s Grand Prix Rating System – some knowledge of his methodology but little knowledge of racing! Continuing the debate about the many attempts to compute driver ratings/rankings, so...
by POBRatings
Wed Mar 31, 2021 1:43 pm
Forum: Hall of Fame
Topic: POBRatings Memorial Thread
Replies: 121
Views: 97573

Re: Sad news

Hi Catherine - first off, my condolences yet again to you and Brendan and the rest of the O'Brien family. As I said 4 years ago - the anecdote that Brendan shared about his Porsche 911 trip was heart-warming, and the picture of him at Falling water is something that's etched in my memory. Hopefully...
by POBRatings
Tue Mar 23, 2021 4:02 pm
Forum: Hall of Fame
Topic: POBRatings Memorial Thread
Replies: 121
Views: 97573

Re: Sad news

Thanks for the tips! :)
by POBRatings
Tue Mar 23, 2021 1:08 pm
Forum: Hall of Fame
Topic: POBRatings Memorial Thread
Replies: 121
Views: 97573

Re: Sad news

Thank you for the lovely words and sentiments about POB. I shared the link to this thread with some (non GP-following) relatives and they responded: 'Those tributes to your dad and his work are remarkable. He clearly made a huge contribution to the motor racing historiography. Let's hope that the in...
by POBRatings
Wed Mar 17, 2021 8:30 am
Forum: Hall of Fame
Topic: POBRatings Memorial Thread
Replies: 121
Views: 97573

Re: Sad news

Invade wrote:
Wed Mar 17, 2021 8:18 am
Can't actually believe it's been 4 years already. I do miss Patrick's presence here. He was so attentive and insightful but also the supreme gentleman.

Good to see that his work is being continued.
Thank you for your kind words about POB. Yes, unbelievable that it's been 4 years already.
by POBRatings
Wed Mar 17, 2021 8:20 am
Forum: Hall of Fame
Topic: POBRatings Memorial Thread
Replies: 121
Views: 97573

Re: Sad news

Thanks mikeyg123. Your kind comment from 4 years ago today has not been forgotten: "He probably pushed F1 metrics forward further than anybody else has ever done and his contribution will not be forgotten." ~ mikeyg123, Fri Mar 17, 2017 3:44 pm, http://forum.planet-f1.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=14138 I...
by POBRatings
Wed Mar 17, 2021 8:07 am
Forum: Hall of Fame
Topic: POBRatings Memorial Thread
Replies: 121
Views: 97573

Re: Sad news

Happy St Patrick's Day. Today is the 4th anniversary of POB's death. Continuing POB's self-published book series of F1 analyses, Nuno Moreira is working on the 2017-2019 volume, applying POB's Grand Prix Rating System. Here are his latest thoughts on it: 'I don't think we will see a system that even...
by POBRatings
Mon Sep 09, 2019 9:56 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Best F1 driver ever?
Replies: 507
Views: 129009

Re: Best F1 driver ever?

Well I'll have to respectfully disagree! I can't see how it's possible. I totally agree that some produce more reliable results but ultimately you're going to have the same list of @20 drivers just with slight differences in order. But however clever the system, however many variables are factored ...
by POBRatings
Mon Sep 09, 2019 9:40 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Best F1 driver ever?
Replies: 507
Views: 129009

Re: Best F1 driver ever?

Obviously, such a system is 'practically' impossible. It's like dividing by zero - but just as you get closer to zero, the output gets closer and closer to infinity - it would be possible to start getting closer and closer to an objective and accurate system with smaller and smaller error bars. But...
by POBRatings
Mon Aug 26, 2019 4:20 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Best F1 driver ever?
Replies: 507
Views: 129009

Re: Best F1 driver ever?

Response by POB's daughter Catherine, using his log-in: POB's Rating System incorporates both raw statistics and subjective opinion - but this is not unconstrained opinion in that if one is taking into account the same 'secondary measures' that he is considering, one would have a high chance of com...
by POBRatings
Mon Aug 26, 2019 10:20 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Best F1 driver ever?
Replies: 507
Views: 129009

Re: Best F1 driver ever?

A lot of people make the point that success in F1 is car-dependent. Fair enough, but as I think I said, the best drivers tend to get the best cars, so isn't the playing field thus level again? Maybe it's the statistican in me that wants to define numerically who is the best ! Maybe my way is not th...
by POBRatings
Mon Aug 26, 2019 9:21 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Best F1 driver ever?
Replies: 507
Views: 129009

Re: Best F1 driver ever?

My method explicitly ignores the evolutionary changes in the sport Your method does no such thing. It arbitrarily gives WDC twice the points of a second place? why? What if someone else thinks the ratio should be 3:1? Or 7:2? Or any other figure? Fair enough, but I have to start somewhere! I don't ...
by POBRatings
Sun Aug 25, 2019 3:00 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Best F1 driver ever?
Replies: 507
Views: 129009

Re: Best F1 driver ever?

A lot of people make the point that success in F1 is car-dependent. Fair enough, but as I think I said, the best drivers tend to get the best cars, so isn't the playing field thus level again? Maybe it's the statistican in me that wants to define numerically who is the best ! Maybe my way is not th...
by POBRatings
Sun Aug 25, 2019 10:19 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Best F1 driver ever?
Replies: 507
Views: 129009

Re: Best F1 driver ever?

Chaps, it can't be done. POB System was meticulous but flawed as any other. The problem is there is no single marker to use as your baseline. Last year's Ferrari won't go down as a Championship one, but I think it would have been in the hands of Alonso or Hamilton. Barrichello was pretty handy but ...
by POBRatings
Sun Mar 17, 2019 11:46 am
Forum: Hall of Fame
Topic: POBRatings Memorial Thread
Replies: 121
Views: 97573

Re: Sad news

Today is the 2nd anniversary of my dad's death - on St Patrick's Day. Time has flown. My last Christmas present to him was Alain de Botton's 'The Consolations of Philosophy', which he read on Christmas day 2016. He had a great habit of sitting down instantly to use/ read any gifts you gave him - so ...
by POBRatings
Sun May 27, 2018 7:33 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Who is the best F1 driver ever?
Replies: 106
Views: 39377

Re: Who is the best F1 driver ever?

I put more stock in Patrick O'Brien's assessments. http://grandprixratings.blogspot.ca/ I still miss you Patrick, RIP my friend. I was also going to say Patrick's ratings are still the best by far. He worked on his formula for so long, taking driver, car and overall package into account from their ...
by POBRatings
Tue Oct 10, 2017 10:03 pm
Forum: Hall of Fame
Topic: POBRatings Memorial Thread
Replies: 121
Views: 97573

Re: Sad news

Thanks for explaining how to clear my PM inbox etc without losing anything. If possible, could you just send it to this email address?: centuryofracing AT gmail.com I’m sure my dad misses his interchanges with all of you. He was a true Gemini in that he lived and breathed for communicating with peop...
by POBRatings
Sun Oct 08, 2017 2:19 pm
Forum: Hall of Fame
Topic: POBRatings Memorial Thread
Replies: 121
Views: 97573

Re: Sad news

Looking at the dates on the posts I extracted, the forum change must have happened at the beginning of March 2012 as those are the earliest posts that I have (from March 2nd) I have created a PDF (863 pages long) of all of those posts. Thanks, I've just PM'd you but there's no evidence of the messa...
by POBRatings
Sun Oct 08, 2017 1:16 pm
Forum: Hall of Fame
Topic: POBRatings Memorial Thread
Replies: 121
Views: 97573

Re: Sad news

Thank you for your responses and offers of IT expertise. It is just posts from 2011 that I am looking for, not pre-2011, as my dad only joined in 2011. Thanks for the kind words Alienturnedhuman and F1Oz. More than 6 months after my dad passed away, all the messages here continue to be a comfort. Al...
by POBRatings
Sat Oct 07, 2017 2:35 pm
Forum: Hall of Fame
Topic: POBRatings Memorial Thread
Replies: 121
Views: 97573

Re: Sad news

He was a great guy who provided both great analysis and historical insight to this forum and i recommend all new readers to review​ his body of posts here* for their high signal to noise content. I felt deeply honoured when we agreed so many times and i wish his spirit well. * http://tinyurl.com/mj...
by POBRatings
Mon Mar 27, 2017 7:40 am
Forum: Hall of Fame
Topic: POBRatings Memorial Thread
Replies: 121
Views: 97573

Re: Sad news

I've just read this thread and I was crushed by the news. As a Brazilian, although I've been posting very little in the last few years, I'd always exchange bits of information with Patrick about the great Brazilian drivers, especially Piquet who, it seems, was one of his favorite drivers from my co...
by POBRatings
Mon Mar 20, 2017 10:32 pm
Forum: Hall of Fame
Topic: POBRatings Memorial Thread
Replies: 121
Views: 97573

Re: Sad news

You know, I read this last night and I wanted to write something in response but was literally so choked up, both from your sad loss and the fact this awesome time was your last physical interaction with your dad. I have three mongrels and I do so many things they love to do because I want to share...