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by POBRatings
Mon Sep 09, 2019 9:56 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Best F1 driver ever?
Replies: 465
Views: 74737

Re: Best F1 driver ever?

Well I'll have to respectfully disagree! I can't see how it's possible. I totally agree that some produce more reliable results but ultimately you're going to have the same list of @20 drivers just with slight differences in order. But however clever the system, however many variables are factored ...
by POBRatings
Mon Sep 09, 2019 9:40 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Best F1 driver ever?
Replies: 465
Views: 74737

Re: Best F1 driver ever?

Obviously, such a system is 'practically' impossible. It's like dividing by zero - but just as you get closer to zero, the output gets closer and closer to infinity - it would be possible to start getting closer and closer to an objective and accurate system with smaller and smaller error bars. But...
by POBRatings
Mon Aug 26, 2019 4:20 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Best F1 driver ever?
Replies: 465
Views: 74737

Re: Best F1 driver ever?

Response by POB's daughter Catherine, using his log-in: POB's Rating System incorporates both raw statistics and subjective opinion - but this is not unconstrained opinion in that if one is taking into account the same 'secondary measures' that he is considering, one would have a high chance of com...
by POBRatings
Mon Aug 26, 2019 10:20 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Best F1 driver ever?
Replies: 465
Views: 74737

Re: Best F1 driver ever?

A lot of people make the point that success in F1 is car-dependent. Fair enough, but as I think I said, the best drivers tend to get the best cars, so isn't the playing field thus level again? Maybe it's the statistican in me that wants to define numerically who is the best ! Maybe my way is not th...
by POBRatings
Mon Aug 26, 2019 9:21 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Best F1 driver ever?
Replies: 465
Views: 74737

Re: Best F1 driver ever?

My method explicitly ignores the evolutionary changes in the sport Your method does no such thing. It arbitrarily gives WDC twice the points of a second place? why? What if someone else thinks the ratio should be 3:1? Or 7:2? Or any other figure? Fair enough, but I have to start somewhere! I don't ...
by POBRatings
Sun Aug 25, 2019 3:00 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Best F1 driver ever?
Replies: 465
Views: 74737

Re: Best F1 driver ever?

A lot of people make the point that success in F1 is car-dependent. Fair enough, but as I think I said, the best drivers tend to get the best cars, so isn't the playing field thus level again? Maybe it's the statistican in me that wants to define numerically who is the best ! Maybe my way is not th...
by POBRatings
Sun Aug 25, 2019 10:19 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Best F1 driver ever?
Replies: 465
Views: 74737

Re: Best F1 driver ever?

Chaps, it can't be done. POB System was meticulous but flawed as any other. The problem is there is no single marker to use as your baseline. Last year's Ferrari won't go down as a Championship one, but I think it would have been in the hands of Alonso or Hamilton. Barrichello was pretty handy but ...
by POBRatings
Sun Mar 17, 2019 11:46 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Sad news
Replies: 100
Views: 51226

Re: Sad news

Today is the 2nd anniversary of my dad's death - on St Patrick's Day. Time has flown. My last Christmas present to him was Alain de Botton's 'The Consolations of Philosophy', which he read on Christmas day 2016. He had a great habit of sitting down instantly to use/ read any gifts you gave him - so ...
by POBRatings
Sun May 27, 2018 7:33 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Who is the best F1 driver ever?
Replies: 106
Views: 31130

Re: Who is the best F1 driver ever?

I put more stock in Patrick O'Brien's assessments. http://grandprixratings.blogspot.ca/ I still miss you Patrick, RIP my friend. I was also going to say Patrick's ratings are still the best by far. He worked on his formula for so long, taking driver, car and overall package into account from their ...
by POBRatings
Tue Oct 10, 2017 10:03 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Sad news
Replies: 100
Views: 51226

Re: Sad news

Thanks for explaining how to clear my PM inbox etc without losing anything. If possible, could you just send it to this email address?: centuryofracing AT gmail.com I’m sure my dad misses his interchanges with all of you. He was a true Gemini in that he lived and breathed for communicating with peop...
by POBRatings
Sun Oct 08, 2017 2:19 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Sad news
Replies: 100
Views: 51226

Re: Sad news

Looking at the dates on the posts I extracted, the forum change must have happened at the beginning of March 2012 as those are the earliest posts that I have (from March 2nd) I have created a PDF (863 pages long) of all of those posts. Thanks, I've just PM'd you but there's no evidence of the messa...
by POBRatings
Sun Oct 08, 2017 1:16 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Sad news
Replies: 100
Views: 51226

Re: Sad news

Thank you for your responses and offers of IT expertise. It is just posts from 2011 that I am looking for, not pre-2011, as my dad only joined in 2011. Thanks for the kind words Alienturnedhuman and F1Oz. More than 6 months after my dad passed away, all the messages here continue to be a comfort. Al...
by POBRatings
Sat Oct 07, 2017 2:35 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Sad news
Replies: 100
Views: 51226

Re: Sad news

He was a great guy who provided both great analysis and historical insight to this forum and i recommend all new readers to review​ his body of posts here* for their high signal to noise content. I felt deeply honoured when we agreed so many times and i wish his spirit well. * http://tinyurl.com/mj...
by POBRatings
Mon Mar 27, 2017 7:40 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Sad news
Replies: 100
Views: 51226

Re: Sad news

I've just read this thread and I was crushed by the news. As a Brazilian, although I've been posting very little in the last few years, I'd always exchange bits of information with Patrick about the great Brazilian drivers, especially Piquet who, it seems, was one of his favorite drivers from my co...
by POBRatings
Mon Mar 20, 2017 10:32 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Sad news
Replies: 100
Views: 51226

Re: Sad news

You know, I read this last night and I wanted to write something in response but was literally so choked up, both from your sad loss and the fact this awesome time was your last physical interaction with your dad. I have three mongrels and I do so many things they love to do because I want to share...
by POBRatings
Mon Mar 20, 2017 5:21 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Sad news
Replies: 100
Views: 51226

Re: Sad news

You know, I read this last night and I wanted to write something in response but was literally so choked up, both from your sad loss and the fact this awesome time was your last physical interaction with your dad. I have three mongrels and I do so many things they love to do because I want to share...
by POBRatings
Mon Mar 20, 2017 1:15 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Sad news
Replies: 100
Views: 51226

Re: Sad news

The messages from everyone in this thread are of as much solace as the many we've received from friends and family over these past days. My dad always had seemingly bottomless reserves of energy and time to encourage and help others in their own endeavours, regardless of his own extremely busy life....
by POBRatings
Mon Mar 20, 2017 11:27 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Sad news
Replies: 100
Views: 51226

Re: Sad news

There is no theory of evolution, just a list of animals that Chuck Norris allows to live. My dad loved Chuck Norris Facts. In particular: "Chuck Norris converted God to atheism" and "Chuck Norris counted to infinity, twice". He even came up with one of his own: "Other people have the bottom fall ou...
by POBRatings
Mon Mar 20, 2017 2:34 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Sad news
Replies: 100
Views: 51226

Re: Sad news

Terribly sad news. While I respect most forumers here, POB was one who's posts became almost compulsory reading for me. His knowledge, his wonderful anecdotes and his statistical contributions will be sadly missed. To Catherine. If you dad conducted himself in his day to day life as he conducted hi...
by POBRatings
Sun Mar 19, 2017 3:29 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Sad news
Replies: 100
Views: 51226

Re: Sad news

Hello everyone, my name is Brendan O’Brien – I’m Patrick’s son. Our family’s grief since he died on Friday morning has been almost unbearable. I wanted to take the time to post though because, although my dad had many and varied interests and a wide group of friends across the world, F1 was his pass...
by POBRatings
Fri Mar 17, 2017 8:46 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Sad news
Replies: 100
Views: 51226

Re: Sad news

Very sad and unexpected news, RIP POB, one of the best members here. I hope he is on the other side laughing that the workings of his excellent ratings system were never revealed. He is going to be missed around here, judging by his excellent anecdotes from the 60s onwards and vast knowledge, I am ...
by POBRatings
Fri Mar 17, 2017 8:09 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Sad news
Replies: 100
Views: 51226

Re: Sad news

Just to let everyone know that my father Patrick O'Brien died of a heart attack in France this morning. He was an enthusiastic member of this forum. Will write more later. Catherine O'Brien in Cambridge, UK. Thank you for all your kind words. Your comments about my dad are a huge comfort. Best fath...
by POBRatings
Fri Mar 17, 2017 3:13 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Sad news
Replies: 100
Views: 51226

Sad news

Just to let everyone know that my father Patrick O'Brien died of a heart attack in France this morning. He was an enthusiastic member of this forum.

Will write more later.

Catherine O'Brien in Cambridge, UK.
by POBRatings
Thu Mar 16, 2017 9:13 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Driver speed advantages
Replies: 42
Views: 10874

Re: Driver speed advantages

Before F1 in the thirties (on my System) the gaps between the top drivers Chiron, Nuvolari, Varzi, Wimille, Caracciola and Rosemeyer were much the same as today between Alonso, Hamilton, Vettel, etc. Moss's wide advantage in 1959-1960 was exceptional, and not matched in the F1 era.
by POBRatings
Thu Mar 16, 2017 8:46 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Looks like Honda sorted their Indycars (lots more HP), F1?
Replies: 26
Views: 6257

Re: Looks like Honda sorted their Indycars (lots more HP), F

Thanks for the clarification. Sounds as if Indycars are a lot cheaper to produce and run than F1 cars. I could not believe Chevy themselves were working on race cars and engines, out of the back door as in musclecar and Chaparral days. Seems as if the Chevvy name (how many vees?) is just for marketi...
by POBRatings
Thu Mar 16, 2017 6:15 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Will Hülkenberg ever get a podium? - Bumped x2
Replies: 63
Views: 12588

Re: Will Hülkenberg ever get a podium? - Bumped x2

I think Hulk and Perez were equal driver-rated in 2015 and 2016, and that both are under-rated. Also agree that Palmer is showing promise, but was not yet at Hulk's level as at end 2016. I voted for a podium for Hulk but of course it all depends on the Renault. Always one of my favourite teams. What...
by POBRatings
Thu Mar 16, 2017 5:14 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Looks like Honda sorted their Indycars (lots more HP), F1?
Replies: 26
Views: 6257

Re: Looks like Honda sorted their Indycars (lots more HP), F

What type of engines are permitted in Indycar Formula these days?
What configuration is the Chevy and who builds it?
Any other engine-builders apart from Chevy and Honda?
What are the power outputs?
by POBRatings
Thu Mar 16, 2017 3:38 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Package speed advantages
Replies: 25
Views: 7156

Re: Package speed advantages

Some very close Package times were recorded in practice for the 1963 Italian GP at Monza. After the first day's practice using the 10 km lap of the banked oval and the road course, the Police prohibited the use of the banking due to lack of spectator safety precautions. The teams and many drivers we...
by POBRatings
Wed Mar 15, 2017 4:21 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Package speed advantages
Replies: 25
Views: 7156

Re: Package speed advantages

The last season that any Package had as much speed advantage over its fastest rival Package as the 2015 Hamilton/Mercedes, was in 2002:the Schumacher /Ferrari was 0.5 faster than the Ralf Schumacher/Williams-BMW. All the seasons in between (2003-2014) the gaps were much closer. In 2015 the Hamilton/...
by POBRatings
Wed Mar 15, 2017 12:35 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: WDC package-ratings
Replies: 8
Views: 3045

Re: WDC package-ratings

Should Mercedes in 2014-2016 or Ferrari 1996-2006 have had team orders/a definite number one driver? Ferrari score din terms of marketing and media exposure by favouring Michael Schumacher. Whereas Mercedes, like Mclaren-Honda years earlier, allowed their two drivers to compete. Allowing team-mates ...
by POBRatings
Wed Mar 15, 2017 7:45 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: WDC driver-ratings
Replies: 12
Views: 4421

Re: WDC driver-ratings

Who'd have thought Jim Clark, one of the cleanest and fairest of WDCs, would ever blatantly jump a Grand Prix start? 1963 belgian GP at Spa. ON this old, 14km per lap version of the great ciurcyuit, the pits were immediately after La Source hairpin, on the right-hand side going downhill towards Eau ...
by POBRatings
Tue Mar 14, 2017 3:32 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: WDC Car-ratings
Replies: 3
Views: 1904

Re: WDC Car-ratings

The 1961 'Sharknose' Ferrari gave its WDC driver Phil Hill the greatest car advantage of all: it was 0.7 faster than the next fastest rival car, the Cooper-Climax Type 55. This compares to the 0.4 to 0.5 advantages by the 2014-2016 Mercedes over its next-fastest rival cars. In 1992 the Williams-Rena...
by POBRatings
Mon Mar 13, 2017 7:17 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: The Official Williams F1 thread
Replies: 144
Views: 50735

Re: The Official Williams F1 thread

It could not have been easy for Williams to negotiate losing Bottas, but good for them being tough and getting a tech advantage from Mercedes. I was surprised that Williams did not do better last year with Pat Symonds on board, but perhaps he was to late to have much effect on the car design? Let's ...
by POBRatings
Mon Mar 13, 2017 5:30 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: John Surtees 1934-2017
Replies: 34
Views: 7309

Re: John Surtees 1934-2017

:thumbup: Lotus49 and Mikey and others above here. If one considers that Robert Mugabe (Pres of Zimbabwe) was knighted or OBEd (not sure if any difference?) in 1994, maybe the award-givers' judgement is dubious.
by POBRatings
Mon Mar 13, 2017 12:43 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: John Surtees 1934-2017
Replies: 34
Views: 7309

Re: John Surtees 1934-2017

Imo the relative lack of recognition for John Surtees is due to widespread antipathy towards motor racing. Many actively dislike motor racing, considering it a raucous, wild-eyed, macho form of entertainment. Many sports journalists do not consider it a sport, that the drivers are not athletes. The ...
by POBRatings
Sat Mar 11, 2017 8:32 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Greatest Formula 1 driver
Replies: 565
Views: 105814

Re: Greatest Formula 1 driver

DeSirius, the OP, started this thread was with a link to Andrew Bell's 'Greatest Driver' study (Andrew Bell reckoned it was Fangio). Then another poster referred to Andrew Phillips's study. I reviewed both of these (plus about 20 or so other available driver-rating and car-rating literature) in my E...
by POBRatings
Sat Mar 11, 2017 5:58 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: John Surtees 1934-2017
Replies: 34
Views: 7309

Re: John Surtees 1934-2017

Surtees's ethics. After his first part-season of 4 races for Lotus in 1960, in which he performed outstandingly, Surtees was offered a full-time drive by Chapman alongside Clark for 1961. Surtees said he'd be happy with Clark as a team-mate as they 'got on well together and Jim was good'. Surtees th...
by POBRatings
Sat Mar 11, 2017 2:39 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: John Surtees 1934-2017
Replies: 34
Views: 7309

Re: John Surtees 1934-2017

So sad for John Surtees that his son Henry died in that racing accident recently. Fortunate to have seen and spoken to JS in the pits a few times: he was so low key and unassuming, a quiet hard worker. His talents went beyond riding bikes and driving cars at the highest level: JS was en expert devel...
by POBRatings
Wed Mar 08, 2017 7:53 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Underdog winners
Replies: 58
Views: 15449

Re: Underdog winners

Kleefton analyses that 2012 Maldonado/Willimas win correctly :thumbup: luck with Lewis being dsq, but then holding off Alonso for many laps at the end. I think working on season-averages is often going to show different impressions/results from individual races or portions of seasons. For 2012 my st...
by POBRatings
Tue Mar 07, 2017 7:16 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Underdog winners
Replies: 58
Views: 15449

Re: Underdog winners

Jabouille in 1980 could be considered an underdog. His incredible record of 23 retirements with 2 wins in 1979 and 1980! The Renault RS10 car in 1979 was fast enough to score wins, Jabouille borderline fast-enough as a driver, and the package not really fast enough on season-average. The Renault's p...