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Lewis beat Fernando in 2007. In 2008 Fernando wasn't runner up when he was at Renault. Not to get completely off track, but Alonso has raced VERY strongly in all facets this sport has had to offer - V10s, V8s, 2002-2008 aero, 2009+ aero, Michelin, Bridgestone, Pirelli, Renault, McLaren, Ferrari, bl...

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...But I think it's fair to at least put out there, as an idea, that on the macro level (regulation changes, major setup changes like tire compounds, etc.), he isn't the most adaptable. Whereas, we wouldn't say Fernando is as such - he's been winner or runner up in essentially all forms this sport ...

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...But I think it's fair to at least put out there, as an idea, that on the macro level (regulation changes, major setup changes like tire compounds, etc.), he isn't the most adaptable. Whereas, we wouldn't say Fernando is as such - he's been winner or runner up in essentially all forms this sport ...

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I'm sorry, this fish isn't biting on that bait. While many other drivers change, grow, improve, and adapt to changing conditions in Formula One, Hamilton has not improved or grown much since his entry into the sport. I could list many of his attributes (most very positive) but "adaptable" is defini...

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...Hamilton is a strange one to me, yes he has a similar early F1 career path comparing him to the Canadian. Lewis is blisteringly quick, and certainly has had opportunity to add to his WDC tally, but thanks to another Newey rocket-ship the opportunities haven't been the best. To me the Englishman ...

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none of the above is particularly relevant when discussing his ability to set up the car and provide constructive technical feedback to his engineers. Button copied Hamilton's setup last year. But was this a car setup that came from Hamilton's input? Of cause it was from Hamilton's input. During pr...

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I can't believe the bias on show here. You either take in the official standings or you take in the full context. You take in the official standings, Hamilton won. You take in the full context you need to consider where and how retirements happened, team orders and whether the orders were fair (if ...

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none of the above is particularly relevant when discussing his ability to set up the car and provide constructive technical feedback to his engineers. Button copied Hamilton's setup last year. But was this a car setup that came from Hamilton's input? Of cause it was from Hamilton's input. During pr...

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j man wrote:none of the above is particularly relevant when discussing his ability to set up the car and provide constructive technical feedback to his engineers.

Button copied Hamilton's setup last year.

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Floppy_Boy wrote: No, it's not. It's called your numbers are wrong or not wording yourself well.

Just get use to the fact that Lewis came into a new team and Beat Rosberg!

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:? Yes :nod: I am objecting to people if they choose to look beyond the final points exclusively. The points system is what determines the WDC standings. You cannot distort the facts to support your own argument. Then maybe you are in a wrong place? Looking beyond the the final points/standing in W...

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On average Lewis finished higher than Nico. :nod: Except no he didn't. Nico didn't finish three races, that's the point. 19 races or not, counting the races each of them finished, Rosberg on average finished higher than Hamilton. The season is 19 races long! Lewis and Nico started on the grid of ea...

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On average Lewis finished higher than Nico. :nod: Except no he didn't. Nico didn't finish three races, that's the point. 19 races or not, counting the races each of them finished, Rosberg on average finished higher than Hamilton. I get what you're trying to say, but that's just just as inaccurate a...

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On average Lewis finished higher than Nico. :nod: Except no he didn't. Nico didn't finish three races, that's the point. 19 races or not, counting the races each of them finished, Rosberg on average finished higher than Hamilton. The season is 19 races long! Lewis and Nico started on the grid of ea...

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The 2009 McLaren was not a god of a car. It was bad up till around the German GP. After that they were much improved. As you said, he scored the most points in the second half of the year. You can't do that in a dog of a car. In 2012 he had bad luck, that's true, but that's the nature of F1. Some y...

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Are you objecting to people if they choose to look beyond the final total points exclusively, to some other indicators too, when to get a bit more telling picture of the relative performances between the drivers? But otherwise, you are right. The final standings in the WDC are obvious to any child ...

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Any Formula One driver is very competent at getting into a completely new car and learning it quickly. This is what they have been doing all their lives, moving up in formula every couple of years, learning a completely different machine, and winning. And Hamilton is one of the best at this, he is ...

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But Rosberg did have DNF's and that does count towards the final WDC results at the end of season!!!!! You can't pick and choose the results you want to count towards the final WDC standings. Is your '!' key getting stuck? I'm not picking and choosing anything, I'm reporting that when Rosberg finis...

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But Rosberg did have DNF's and that does count towards the final WDC results at the end of season!!!!! You can't pick and choose the results you want to count towards the final WDC standings. Is your '!' key getting stuck? I'm not picking and choosing anything, I'm reporting that when Rosberg finis...

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On average Lewis finished ahead of Nico!!! No he didn't. Of those races they both finished, they each finished 7 ahead of the other. I had to go and check, but it confirms the feeling I had through the season. :uhoh: Yes he did!!! Lewis finished ahead of Nico 10 out of the 19 races. Nico was never ...

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On average Lewis finished ahead of Nico!!! No he didn't. Of those races they both finished, they each finished 7 ahead of the other. I had to go and check, but it confirms the feeling I had through the season. Excluding DNFs, they both have the same average finishing position of 5.2 8O :lol: No com...

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On average Lewis finished ahead of Nico!!! No he didn't. Of those races they both finished, they each finished 7 ahead of the other. I had to go and check, but it confirms the feeling I had through the season. :uhoh: Yes he did!!! Lewis finished ahead of Nico 10 out of the 19 races. Nico was never ...

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Any Formula One driver is very competent at getting into a completely new car and learning it quickly. This is what they have been doing all their lives, moving up in formula every couple of years, learning a completely different machine, and winning. And Hamilton is one of the best at this, he is ...

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It really does make me laugh reading all the excuses people post for rosberg. Maybe he is a match for Lewis and will beat him this year. But the fact still remains LH has out qualified rosberg in both races now. And was ahead of rosberg in aus when NR retired. LH was ahead of NR for the majority of ...

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Sounds like a man who is ready to see how his new, younger, cheaper, less dramatic wife is going to perform rather than get hung up on the ol' bitch with huge demands and few benefits. :eeps: You and Laura23 need to get yourselves down to spec savers if you can't see Ron has a huge case of sour gra...

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bartonz20let wrote:
A2jdl wrote:I thought Hamilton fans hated every other driver !
Hamilton fans hate Hamilton....

Dam Scot's ruined Scotland.

This thread has turned slightly deranged!

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It's not just Jenson. Its the entire team and their staff. It's never Lewis' fault. Ever. Your sarcasm is slightly miss placed! Have you actually watched any of the races this year? Appalling pit stops, terrible strategy calls and comical team management have made McLaren a laughing stock! And JB's...

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I dont hate Button but he does seem to attract smug and condescending fans. But Lewis' fans seem to have a sense of entitlement. Most probably down to the millions spent on PR in his first 2 seasons. Everyone was lead to believe we'd have a multiple world champion by now. We've not and who's fault ...

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It's not just Jenson. Its the entire team and their staff. It's never Lewis' fault. Ever. Your sarcasm is slightly miss placed! Have you actually watched any of the races this year? Appalling pit stops, terrible strategy calls and comical team management have made McLaren a laughing stock! And JB's...

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He finished 2nd and 1st in his first two years of F1. There's nothing subjective about it he finished as one of the best drivers in both seasons. To say that Button is a more worthy WDC than Lewis to be considered in this poll is ridiculous! But apparently not ridiculous to say that Hamilton is mor...

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Won a drivers championship in every racing series he's ever competed in, beat a double WDC in his debut season of F1, won the WDC in his second year and unlike his team mate this year LH has shown what McLaren's MP4-27 is capable of. Forgot to say LH is regarded as one of the best drivers, if not t...

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I have not taken a vote because i don't think i am qualified enough to vote for it. He beat a double WDC in his debut season and won the title in his second because he started at Mclaren and not at Minardi like the double WDC he beat. Lewis is a great driver but I don't think it's fair to compare h...

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I have not taken a vote because i don't think i am qualified enough to vote for it. I have always been irritated when i saw the "Hamilton is the best of the current crop" ... But the votes Hamilton has in this poll is taking this to a whole new level. is he really better than Graham Hill, Mansell, ...

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and yet Tiger Woods is (was) a billionaire from playing a sport African American people weren't even allowed to play. Tiger Woods is rich... Would Hamilton enjoy instant success? I seriously doubt it. It is a different discipline and there is a learning curve... One last qualifier... as in ALL raci...

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and yet Tiger Woods is (was) a billionaire from playing a sport African American people weren't even allowed to play. Tiger Woods is rich because he played Golf better than anybody of his time, bordering on, if not the best to ever play the sport. While there were a few African-Americans in golf be...

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Dear all, Heed the above warnings. If you don't we will close this thread. We will ban anyone who posts libel about a driver or anyone else on the forum or related to F1. We do get annoyed when people quote posts that describe drivers as "muderers" because it give us more work to do cleaning up the...

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It seems that JB must have to win all 20 races this season to earn respect from all these Hamilton fan boys on here. JB beat Hamilton fair and square last season. He finished 43 points ahead of him. And by no stretch of the imagination did Hamilton have an awful season. 1. Buttons form contributed ...

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I think Lewis will beat Jenson hands down this year. Jenson had a GREAT year last season but Lewis had a poor season, however had Lewis just been at his own average level,he probably would've beaten Jenson. Lewis was leading all his competitors but Vettel, in the first part of the season and has le...

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I think unless you have a dominant car maturity counts for a heck of a lot. I used to be a real fan of Hamilton but how he's acted over the last year has really got on my nerves and I think it's showed up a real weakness in him. Sure you need talent, but when the going gets tough you need the abili...

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