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by Siao7
Tue Apr 13, 2021 4:42 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Hamilton vs Schumacher and their contemporaries (split from Official Hamilton Thread)
Replies: 1006
Views: 25481

Re: Hamilton vs Schumacher and their contemporaries (split from Official Hamilton Thread)

Can we please move on from this tedious semantics? He was even beaten by Alonso driving the horrid 2011 Ferrari - ouch! ...and if Alonso had been in the Ferrari in 2018, Hamilton would still have beat him over the season in a marginally inferior car! Fight me! That should do the trick. :lol: I see ...
by Siao7
Tue Apr 13, 2021 4:41 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Hamilton vs Schumacher and their contemporaries (split from Official Hamilton Thread)
Replies: 1006
Views: 25481

Re: Hamilton vs Schumacher and their contemporaries (split from Official Hamilton Thread)

tootsie323 wrote:
Tue Apr 13, 2021 4:36 pm
So we've established that both Schumacher and Hamilton lost to teammates in specific years due to explainable circumstances. In all cases, they beat the same teammates over other seasons.
Not sure they are exactly the same, but sure.
by Siao7
Tue Apr 13, 2021 4:25 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Hamilton vs Schumacher and their contemporaries (split from Official Hamilton Thread)
Replies: 1006
Views: 25481

Re: Hamilton vs Schumacher and their contemporaries (split from Official Hamilton Thread)

Can we please move on from this tedious semantics? He was even beaten by Alonso driving the horrid 2011 Ferrari - ouch! ...and if Alonso had been in the Ferrari in 2018, Hamilton would still have beat him over the season in a marginally inferior car! Fight me! That should do the trick. Amen, I'll r...
by Siao7
Tue Apr 13, 2021 4:24 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Hamilton vs Schumacher and their contemporaries (split from Official Hamilton Thread)
Replies: 1006
Views: 25481

Re: Hamilton vs Schumacher and their contemporaries (split from Official Hamilton Thread)

Schumacher clearly started the race and had brake failure, as a comparison Hamilton has had car failures and engine penalties in qualifying that meant him starting at the back before qualifying even started so he basically didn't even take part but Rosberg still gets the credit for beating him, I n...
by Siao7
Tue Apr 13, 2021 4:01 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Hamilton vs Schumacher and their contemporaries (split from Official Hamilton Thread)
Replies: 1006
Views: 25481

Re: Hamilton vs Schumacher and their contemporaries (split from Official Hamilton Thread)

I wonder if we can discount all the engine inflicted races that Hamilton had in 2016? Was it a DNS for him? Schumacher clearly started the race and had brake failure, as a comparison Hamilton has had car failures and engine penalties in qualifying that meant him starting at the back before qualifyi...
by Siao7
Tue Apr 13, 2021 3:11 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Hamilton vs Schumacher and their contemporaries (split from Official Hamilton Thread)
Replies: 1006
Views: 25481

Re: Hamilton vs Schumacher and their contemporaries (split from Official Hamilton Thread)

Johnson talked about context. Then he used a year that was cut in half to make a point. It is ironic to say the least, but maybe my post was a tad distasteful, so I'll apologise for that. However, if we want to be correct, Silverstone shouldn't count; the race was restarted and shortened by 1 lap, ...
by Siao7
Tue Apr 13, 2021 1:11 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: 2021 Emilia Romagna (Imola) Grand Prix Free Practice & Qualifying Thread
Replies: 15
Views: 549

Re: 2021 Emilia Romagna (Imola) Grand Prix Free Practice & Qualifying Thread

Changes to the schedule for this weekend: https://www.skysports.com/f1/news/36695/12274204/emilia-romagna-gp-f1-moves-imola-qualifying-time-to-avoid-clash-with-prince-philips-funeral Can’t say I’ve ever understood the desire to watch a televised funeral for a person I’ve never met, personally but t...
by Siao7
Tue Apr 13, 2021 1:06 pm
Forum: In-Depth Motorsport Forum
Topic: Evaluating Schumi's legacy
Replies: 45
Views: 44136

Re: Evaluating Schumi's legacy

Any link? I think it had to do with changing the braking towards the left pedal, right ? Anyway, it ended with him ramming into hill. No, not really. Braking with his left foot was another thing altogether when other drivers were still doing heel and toe. The article was this: https://www.linkedin....
by Siao7
Tue Apr 13, 2021 10:17 am
Forum: In-Depth Motorsport Forum
Topic: Evaluating Schumi's legacy
Replies: 45
Views: 44136

Re: Evaluating Schumi's legacy

It's also quite cool to read Toet's article about what was going on with the "driver aids" in 1994. He has some very nice articles, I'd urge you to give them a look. Effectively (to my understanding) they created the driver aid effect, but legally. As other teams too that year.
by Siao7
Tue Apr 13, 2021 9:20 am
Forum: In-Depth Motorsport Forum
Topic: Evaluating Schumi's legacy
Replies: 45
Views: 44136

Re: Evaluating Schumi's legacy

Sennas dubious moments ? Not sure what that has to do with my post; just my opinion if you are referring to Suzuka 90, it was because of them changing the pole position. He should have had the lead going into the turn, it was a case of deliberate planning by the FIA (Balestre French decent). So, he...
by Siao7
Tue Apr 13, 2021 8:19 am
Forum: In-Depth Motorsport Forum
Topic: Evaluating Schumi's legacy
Replies: 45
Views: 44136

Re: Evaluating Schumi's legacy

Retro-Virus wrote:
Tue Apr 13, 2021 8:04 am
Anyway, I am not here to recycle anything. I don't think Senna and Schumacher are in the same level, just my opinion.

Regards,
RV
And that's fine.
by Siao7
Tue Apr 13, 2021 8:18 am
Forum: In-Depth Motorsport Forum
Topic: Evaluating Schumi's legacy
Replies: 45
Views: 44136

Re: Evaluating Schumi's legacy

Schumacher is a good driver, but as many people have said, he's never had a WDC as his team mate, and after coming back from retirement, and once paired with Rosberg, he lost. He's also had a few dubious moments like parking his car, ramming into others, and so on. If you ask me, I would rate Senna...
by Siao7
Tue Apr 13, 2021 7:24 am
Forum: In-Depth Motorsport Forum
Topic: Evaluating Schumi's legacy
Replies: 45
Views: 44136

Re: Evaluating Schumi's legacy

I agree, Schumacher has never faced a top driver as his team mate. As for your comment on Senna, and if you are referring to Suzuka 90, it was because of them changing the pole position. He should have had the lead going into the turn, it was a case of deliberate planning by the FIA (Balestre). So,...
by Siao7
Tue Apr 13, 2021 7:20 am
Forum: In-Depth Motorsport Forum
Topic: Evaluating Schumi's legacy
Replies: 45
Views: 44136

Re: Evaluating Schumi's legacy

Schumacher is a good driver, but as many people have said, he's never had a WDC as his team mate, and after coming back from retirement, and once paired with Rosberg, he lost. He's also had a few dubious moments like parking his car, ramming into others, and so on. If you ask me, I would rate Senna...
by Siao7
Tue Apr 13, 2021 7:16 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Rare, Funny & Interesting F1 Pictures
Replies: 1677
Views: 703760

Re: Rare, Funny & Interesting F1 Pictures

This is freaky!
by Siao7
Mon Apr 12, 2021 4:49 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Hamilton vs Schumacher and their contemporaries (split from Official Hamilton Thread)
Replies: 1006
Views: 25481

Re: Hamilton vs Schumacher and their contemporaries (split from Official Hamilton Thread)

Why exclude Silverstone? Schumacher competed and had a mechanical failure. It would be like omitting Malaysia 2016 for Hamitlon. 32-32 was the score between Irvine and Schumacher leaving Silverstone at mid season. Then Irvine 14 vs Michael’s 12 in the final two races. 46-44. That’s the fact. Yes it...
by Siao7
Mon Apr 12, 2021 4:17 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Hamilton vs Schumacher and their contemporaries (split from Official Hamilton Thread)
Replies: 1006
Views: 25481

Re: Hamilton vs Schumacher and their contemporaries (split from Official Hamilton Thread)

Hamilton didn't miss 7 races in 2016, please stop making a nonsense comparison. It's not nonsensical. In races they both entered, Irvine scored more points despite being utterly outperformed by Schumacher. Johnson talked about context. Then he used a year that was cut in half to make a point. It is...
by Siao7
Mon Apr 12, 2021 4:01 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Hamilton vs Schumacher and their contemporaries (split from Official Hamilton Thread)
Replies: 1006
Views: 25481

Re: Hamilton vs Schumacher and their contemporaries (split from Official Hamilton Thread)

Context is everything, as is what you emit. That same man you refer to whitewashed Schumacher which gave me a laugh reading that. I've been extremely uncharitable to Hamilton suggesting he would be swept by Schumacher. I got the wrong end of the stick with Invade's post. I don't think Schumacher ha...
by Siao7
Mon Apr 12, 2021 2:23 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Hamilton vs Schumacher and their contemporaries (split from Official Hamilton Thread)
Replies: 1006
Views: 25481

Re: Hamilton vs Schumacher and their contemporaries (split from Official Hamilton Thread)

Hamilton didn't miss 7 races in 2016, please stop making a nonsense comparison. It's not nonsensical. In races they both entered, Irvine scored more points despite being utterly outperformed by Schumacher. Johnson talked about context. Then he used a year that was cut in half to make a point. It is...
by Siao7
Mon Apr 12, 2021 1:58 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Hamilton vs Schumacher and their contemporaries (split from Official Hamilton Thread)
Replies: 1006
Views: 25481

Re: Hamilton vs Schumacher and their contemporaries (split from Official Hamilton Thread)

Context is everything, as is what you emit. That same man you refer to whitewashed Schumacher which gave me a laugh reading that. I've been extremely uncharitable to Hamilton suggesting he would be swept by Schumacher. I got the wrong end of the stick with Invade's post. I don't think Schumacher ha...
by Siao7
Mon Apr 12, 2021 1:23 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Hamilton vs Schumacher and their contemporaries (split from Official Hamilton Thread)
Replies: 1006
Views: 25481

Re: Hamilton vs Schumacher and their contemporaries (split from Official Hamilton Thread)

Context is everything, as is what you emit. That same man you refer to whitewashed Schumacher which gave me a laugh reading that. I've been extremely uncharitable to Hamilton suggesting he would be swept by Schumacher. I got the wrong end of the stick with Invade's post. I don't think Schumacher ha...
by Siao7
Mon Apr 12, 2021 7:53 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Hamilton vs Schumacher and their contemporaries (split from Official Hamilton Thread)
Replies: 1006
Views: 25481

Re: Hamilton vs Schumacher and their contemporaries (split from Official Hamilton Thread)

In my opinion, you can find reasons to give Schumacher the nod and such to give Hamilton the nod. It's a close call. Two things, for me, decide it in Hamilton's favour: - he raced stronger teammates, and - Schumacher had more and more severe unfair actions ("lack of sportsmanship"). :thumbup: but I...
by Siao7
Mon Apr 12, 2021 7:46 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Hamilton vs Schumacher and their contemporaries (split from Official Hamilton Thread)
Replies: 1006
Views: 25481

Re: Hamilton vs Schumacher and their contemporaries (split from Official Hamilton Thread)

Hands up if since reading / contributing to this thread, you've changed your mind over who's the best out of MS and LH? Or is it a very interesting thread with lots of good input but let's admit it, we all have our opinion and nothing's going to change it! ;) This isn't a criticism, just what I bel...
by Siao7
Mon Apr 12, 2021 7:29 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Hamilton vs Schumacher and their contemporaries (split from Official Hamilton Thread)
Replies: 1006
Views: 25481

Re: Hamilton vs Schumacher and their contemporaries (split from Official Hamilton Thread)

So you have an issue with someone getting apparently extra credit (for something he did) and not being blamed for something that he didn't do wrong. I just find this bizarre. I concede when put in those terms it is bizarre. I suppose it's just the fickle nature of timing in this sport. I don't thin...
by Siao7
Fri Apr 09, 2021 4:27 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Hamilton vs Schumacher and their contemporaries (split from Official Hamilton Thread)
Replies: 1006
Views: 25481

Re: Hamilton vs Schumacher and their contemporaries (split from Official Hamilton Thread)

well just to weigh in, I tried to find first-hand accounts on the web that gave examples of what Schu actually did other than motivate people, work hard, and drive brilliantly. For example did he actually specify people for recruitment, suggest team restructures, investment in specifc technologies ...
by Siao7
Fri Apr 09, 2021 3:52 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Hamilton vs Schumacher and their contemporaries (split from Official Hamilton Thread)
Replies: 1006
Views: 25481

Re: Hamilton vs Schumacher and their contemporaries (split from Official Hamilton Thread)

We can't start having a go at people for things they didn't do! Who is having a go? All I'm saying is that his efforts at Mercedes would have had little impact on his legacy at the time he left in 2012 and he gets extra credit since Mercedes rise in 2014. Having a go is probably not the best way of...
by Siao7
Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:59 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Hamilton vs Schumacher and their contemporaries (split from Official Hamilton Thread)
Replies: 1006
Views: 25481

Re: Hamilton vs Schumacher and their contemporaries (split from Official Hamilton Thread)

well just to weigh in, I tried to find first-hand accounts on the web that gave examples of what Schu actually did other than motivate people, work hard, and drive brilliantly. For example did he actually specify people for recruitment, suggest team restructures, investment in specifc technologies ...
by Siao7
Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:53 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Hamilton vs Schumacher and their contemporaries (split from Official Hamilton Thread)
Replies: 1006
Views: 25481

Re: Hamilton vs Schumacher and their contemporaries (split from Official Hamilton Thread)

...judging him on something that hasn't happened, that's just reaching. The timing of his 2012 retirement allowed him to have his cake and eat it. If Mercedes succeeded, he was instrumental in the foundations of that success. If Mercedes failed, he was too far removed from the process to feel any n...
by Siao7
Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:23 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Hamilton vs Schumacher and their contemporaries (split from Official Hamilton Thread)
Replies: 1006
Views: 25481

Re: Hamilton vs Schumacher and their contemporaries (split from Official Hamilton Thread)

Why is it difficult to say that he was instrumental in building up this team when he was there from the beginning and got them to raise the funding which in the end brought massive success? My main issue is that Schumacher gets a lot of credit in hindsight but absolutely none of the blame in the co...
by Siao7
Fri Apr 09, 2021 1:31 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Hamilton vs Schumacher and their contemporaries (split from Official Hamilton Thread)
Replies: 1006
Views: 25481

Re: Hamilton vs Schumacher and their contemporaries (split from Official Hamilton Thread)

And especially for Mercedes, Schumacher along with Haug were the people who convinced the Merc board to pour more money in the team and bring Toto, which evolved to today's monster team. It's the perfect storm though, his retirement at the end of 2012 allows people to stretch his contribution despi...
by Siao7
Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:54 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Hamilton vs Schumacher and their contemporaries (split from Official Hamilton Thread)
Replies: 1006
Views: 25481

Re: Hamilton vs Schumacher and their contemporaries (split from Official Hamilton Thread)

But that wasn't the point of the post, which was to highlight Schumacher's contribution to Mercedes's success today, that team building trait which Hamilton (or anyone else) doesn't hold a candle to. Only two people in F1 history are this instrumental in building dominant teams more than once - one...
by Siao7
Fri Apr 09, 2021 9:31 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Hamilton vs Schumacher and their contemporaries (split from Official Hamilton Thread)
Replies: 1006
Views: 25481

Re: Hamilton vs Schumacher and their contemporaries (split from Official Hamilton Thread)

I think the whole Rosberg-Schumacher dynamic says a lot more about Rosberg than it does Schumacher, which is then bolstered quite reasonably with what happened afterwards with Rosberg-Hamilton. ... that Nico Rosberg was a very fine F1 racer, who was able to produce admirable performance against two...
by Siao7
Fri Apr 09, 2021 9:08 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Anyone still on here from 9 years ago?!
Replies: 322
Views: 47184

Re: Anyone still on here from 9 years ago?!

I remember Guia telling off Eury, when he had a go at her. Put him right into his place, it was beautiful.

What happened to Snake? Mcdo? Prema? So many names
by Siao7
Fri Apr 09, 2021 9:01 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Hamilton vs Schumacher and their contemporaries (split from Official Hamilton Thread)
Replies: 1006
Views: 25481

Re: Hamilton vs Schumacher and their contemporaries (split from Official Hamilton Thread)

Yes, that is a myth, really. It started out with some projections than Schumacher with an ideal season could have matched Rosberg (without assuming an ideal season for him as well, of course). And over the years, the mantra was developed that he was better than Rosberg, which is as false as the cla...
by Siao7
Thu Apr 08, 2021 5:36 pm
Forum: In-Depth Motorsport Forum
Topic: Evaluating Schumi's legacy
Replies: 45
Views: 44136

Re: Evaluating Schumi's legacy

Schumacher is a good driver, but as many people have said, he's never had a WDC as his team mate, and after coming back from retirement, and once paired with Rosberg, he lost. He's also had a few dubious moments like parking his car, ramming into others, and so on. If you ask me, I would rate Senna...
by Siao7
Thu Apr 08, 2021 11:55 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Anyone still on here from 9 years ago?!
Replies: 322
Views: 47184

Re: Anyone still on here from 9 years ago?!

wow, some real blasts from the past there. Might just be me bit feels like we had an older demograpic "back in the day". And I'm still unsure if we even have any female posters these days. I miss Guia. And Laura was quite good and informed both great contributors, Guia was unique in her style. Inde...
by Siao7
Thu Apr 08, 2021 11:36 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Anyone still on here from 9 years ago?!
Replies: 322
Views: 47184

Re: Anyone still on here from 9 years ago?!

DOLOMITE wrote:
Thu Apr 08, 2021 10:07 am
wow, some real blasts from the past there. Might just be me bit feels like we had an older demograpic "back in the day". And I'm still unsure if we even have any female posters these days.
I miss Guia. And Laura was quite good and informed
by Siao7
Thu Apr 08, 2021 9:48 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Anyone still on here from 9 years ago?!
Replies: 322
Views: 47184

Re: Anyone still on here from 9 years ago?!

Fiki is still around, haven't seen Blake for a while
by Siao7
Tue Apr 06, 2021 7:39 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Official Max Verstappen thread
Replies: 257
Views: 47180

Re: Official Max Verstappen thread

If we are to believe this, then Max did brilliant:

https://www.grandprix247.com/2021/04/04 ... rand-prix/