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by Siao7
Tue Apr 13, 2021 7:24 am
Forum: In-Depth Motorsport Forum
Topic: Evaluating Schumi's legacy
Replies: 34
Views: 44023

Re: Evaluating Schumi's legacy

I agree, Schumacher has never faced a top driver as his team mate. As for your comment on Senna, and if you are referring to Suzuka 90, it was because of them changing the pole position. He should have had the lead going into the turn, it was a case of deliberate planning by the FIA (Balestre). So,...
by Siao7
Tue Apr 13, 2021 7:20 am
Forum: In-Depth Motorsport Forum
Topic: Evaluating Schumi's legacy
Replies: 34
Views: 44023

Re: Evaluating Schumi's legacy

Schumacher is a good driver, but as many people have said, he's never had a WDC as his team mate, and after coming back from retirement, and once paired with Rosberg, he lost. He's also had a few dubious moments like parking his car, ramming into others, and so on. If you ask me, I would rate Senna...
by Siao7
Tue Apr 13, 2021 7:16 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Rare, Funny & Interesting F1 Pictures
Replies: 1677
Views: 703637

Re: Rare, Funny & Interesting F1 Pictures

This is freaky!
by Siao7
Mon Apr 12, 2021 4:49 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Hamilton vs Schumacher and their contemporaries (split from Official Hamilton Thread)
Replies: 980
Views: 25062

Re: Hamilton vs Schumacher and their contemporaries (split from Official Hamilton Thread)

Why exclude Silverstone? Schumacher competed and had a mechanical failure. It would be like omitting Malaysia 2016 for Hamitlon. 32-32 was the score between Irvine and Schumacher leaving Silverstone at mid season. Then Irvine 14 vs Michael’s 12 in the final two races. 46-44. That’s the fact. Yes it...
by Siao7
Mon Apr 12, 2021 4:17 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Hamilton vs Schumacher and their contemporaries (split from Official Hamilton Thread)
Replies: 980
Views: 25062

Re: Hamilton vs Schumacher and their contemporaries (split from Official Hamilton Thread)

Hamilton didn't miss 7 races in 2016, please stop making a nonsense comparison. It's not nonsensical. In races they both entered, Irvine scored more points despite being utterly outperformed by Schumacher. Johnson talked about context. Then he used a year that was cut in half to make a point. It is...
by Siao7
Mon Apr 12, 2021 4:01 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Hamilton vs Schumacher and their contemporaries (split from Official Hamilton Thread)
Replies: 980
Views: 25062

Re: Hamilton vs Schumacher and their contemporaries (split from Official Hamilton Thread)

Context is everything, as is what you emit. That same man you refer to whitewashed Schumacher which gave me a laugh reading that. I've been extremely uncharitable to Hamilton suggesting he would be swept by Schumacher. I got the wrong end of the stick with Invade's post. I don't think Schumacher ha...
by Siao7
Mon Apr 12, 2021 2:23 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Hamilton vs Schumacher and their contemporaries (split from Official Hamilton Thread)
Replies: 980
Views: 25062

Re: Hamilton vs Schumacher and their contemporaries (split from Official Hamilton Thread)

Hamilton didn't miss 7 races in 2016, please stop making a nonsense comparison. It's not nonsensical. In races they both entered, Irvine scored more points despite being utterly outperformed by Schumacher. Johnson talked about context. Then he used a year that was cut in half to make a point. It is...
by Siao7
Mon Apr 12, 2021 1:58 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Hamilton vs Schumacher and their contemporaries (split from Official Hamilton Thread)
Replies: 980
Views: 25062

Re: Hamilton vs Schumacher and their contemporaries (split from Official Hamilton Thread)

Context is everything, as is what you emit. That same man you refer to whitewashed Schumacher which gave me a laugh reading that. I've been extremely uncharitable to Hamilton suggesting he would be swept by Schumacher. I got the wrong end of the stick with Invade's post. I don't think Schumacher ha...
by Siao7
Mon Apr 12, 2021 1:23 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Hamilton vs Schumacher and their contemporaries (split from Official Hamilton Thread)
Replies: 980
Views: 25062

Re: Hamilton vs Schumacher and their contemporaries (split from Official Hamilton Thread)

Context is everything, as is what you emit. That same man you refer to whitewashed Schumacher which gave me a laugh reading that. I've been extremely uncharitable to Hamilton suggesting he would be swept by Schumacher. I got the wrong end of the stick with Invade's post. I don't think Schumacher ha...
by Siao7
Mon Apr 12, 2021 7:53 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Hamilton vs Schumacher and their contemporaries (split from Official Hamilton Thread)
Replies: 980
Views: 25062

Re: Hamilton vs Schumacher and their contemporaries (split from Official Hamilton Thread)

In my opinion, you can find reasons to give Schumacher the nod and such to give Hamilton the nod. It's a close call. Two things, for me, decide it in Hamilton's favour: - he raced stronger teammates, and - Schumacher had more and more severe unfair actions ("lack of sportsmanship"). :thumbup: but I...
by Siao7
Mon Apr 12, 2021 7:46 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Hamilton vs Schumacher and their contemporaries (split from Official Hamilton Thread)
Replies: 980
Views: 25062

Re: Hamilton vs Schumacher and their contemporaries (split from Official Hamilton Thread)

Hands up if since reading / contributing to this thread, you've changed your mind over who's the best out of MS and LH? Or is it a very interesting thread with lots of good input but let's admit it, we all have our opinion and nothing's going to change it! ;) This isn't a criticism, just what I bel...
by Siao7
Mon Apr 12, 2021 7:29 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Hamilton vs Schumacher and their contemporaries (split from Official Hamilton Thread)
Replies: 980
Views: 25062

Re: Hamilton vs Schumacher and their contemporaries (split from Official Hamilton Thread)

So you have an issue with someone getting apparently extra credit (for something he did) and not being blamed for something that he didn't do wrong. I just find this bizarre. I concede when put in those terms it is bizarre. I suppose it's just the fickle nature of timing in this sport. I don't thin...
by Siao7
Fri Apr 09, 2021 4:27 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Hamilton vs Schumacher and their contemporaries (split from Official Hamilton Thread)
Replies: 980
Views: 25062

Re: Hamilton vs Schumacher and their contemporaries (split from Official Hamilton Thread)

well just to weigh in, I tried to find first-hand accounts on the web that gave examples of what Schu actually did other than motivate people, work hard, and drive brilliantly. For example did he actually specify people for recruitment, suggest team restructures, investment in specifc technologies ...
by Siao7
Fri Apr 09, 2021 3:52 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Hamilton vs Schumacher and their contemporaries (split from Official Hamilton Thread)
Replies: 980
Views: 25062

Re: Hamilton vs Schumacher and their contemporaries (split from Official Hamilton Thread)

We can't start having a go at people for things they didn't do! Who is having a go? All I'm saying is that his efforts at Mercedes would have had little impact on his legacy at the time he left in 2012 and he gets extra credit since Mercedes rise in 2014. Having a go is probably not the best way of...
by Siao7
Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:59 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Hamilton vs Schumacher and their contemporaries (split from Official Hamilton Thread)
Replies: 980
Views: 25062

Re: Hamilton vs Schumacher and their contemporaries (split from Official Hamilton Thread)

well just to weigh in, I tried to find first-hand accounts on the web that gave examples of what Schu actually did other than motivate people, work hard, and drive brilliantly. For example did he actually specify people for recruitment, suggest team restructures, investment in specifc technologies ...
by Siao7
Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:53 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Hamilton vs Schumacher and their contemporaries (split from Official Hamilton Thread)
Replies: 980
Views: 25062

Re: Hamilton vs Schumacher and their contemporaries (split from Official Hamilton Thread)

...judging him on something that hasn't happened, that's just reaching. The timing of his 2012 retirement allowed him to have his cake and eat it. If Mercedes succeeded, he was instrumental in the foundations of that success. If Mercedes failed, he was too far removed from the process to feel any n...
by Siao7
Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:23 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Hamilton vs Schumacher and their contemporaries (split from Official Hamilton Thread)
Replies: 980
Views: 25062

Re: Hamilton vs Schumacher and their contemporaries (split from Official Hamilton Thread)

Why is it difficult to say that he was instrumental in building up this team when he was there from the beginning and got them to raise the funding which in the end brought massive success? My main issue is that Schumacher gets a lot of credit in hindsight but absolutely none of the blame in the co...
by Siao7
Fri Apr 09, 2021 1:31 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Hamilton vs Schumacher and their contemporaries (split from Official Hamilton Thread)
Replies: 980
Views: 25062

Re: Hamilton vs Schumacher and their contemporaries (split from Official Hamilton Thread)

And especially for Mercedes, Schumacher along with Haug were the people who convinced the Merc board to pour more money in the team and bring Toto, which evolved to today's monster team. It's the perfect storm though, his retirement at the end of 2012 allows people to stretch his contribution despi...
by Siao7
Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:54 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Hamilton vs Schumacher and their contemporaries (split from Official Hamilton Thread)
Replies: 980
Views: 25062

Re: Hamilton vs Schumacher and their contemporaries (split from Official Hamilton Thread)

But that wasn't the point of the post, which was to highlight Schumacher's contribution to Mercedes's success today, that team building trait which Hamilton (or anyone else) doesn't hold a candle to. Only two people in F1 history are this instrumental in building dominant teams more than once - one...
by Siao7
Fri Apr 09, 2021 9:31 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Hamilton vs Schumacher and their contemporaries (split from Official Hamilton Thread)
Replies: 980
Views: 25062

Re: Hamilton vs Schumacher and their contemporaries (split from Official Hamilton Thread)

I think the whole Rosberg-Schumacher dynamic says a lot more about Rosberg than it does Schumacher, which is then bolstered quite reasonably with what happened afterwards with Rosberg-Hamilton. ... that Nico Rosberg was a very fine F1 racer, who was able to produce admirable performance against two...
by Siao7
Fri Apr 09, 2021 9:08 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Anyone still on here from 9 years ago?!
Replies: 322
Views: 47116

Re: Anyone still on here from 9 years ago?!

I remember Guia telling off Eury, when he had a go at her. Put him right into his place, it was beautiful.

What happened to Snake? Mcdo? Prema? So many names
by Siao7
Fri Apr 09, 2021 9:01 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Hamilton vs Schumacher and their contemporaries (split from Official Hamilton Thread)
Replies: 980
Views: 25062

Re: Hamilton vs Schumacher and their contemporaries (split from Official Hamilton Thread)

Yes, that is a myth, really. It started out with some projections than Schumacher with an ideal season could have matched Rosberg (without assuming an ideal season for him as well, of course). And over the years, the mantra was developed that he was better than Rosberg, which is as false as the cla...
by Siao7
Thu Apr 08, 2021 5:36 pm
Forum: In-Depth Motorsport Forum
Topic: Evaluating Schumi's legacy
Replies: 34
Views: 44023

Re: Evaluating Schumi's legacy

Schumacher is a good driver, but as many people have said, he's never had a WDC as his team mate, and after coming back from retirement, and once paired with Rosberg, he lost. He's also had a few dubious moments like parking his car, ramming into others, and so on. If you ask me, I would rate Senna...
by Siao7
Thu Apr 08, 2021 11:55 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Anyone still on here from 9 years ago?!
Replies: 322
Views: 47116

Re: Anyone still on here from 9 years ago?!

wow, some real blasts from the past there. Might just be me bit feels like we had an older demograpic "back in the day". And I'm still unsure if we even have any female posters these days. I miss Guia. And Laura was quite good and informed both great contributors, Guia was unique in her style. Inde...
by Siao7
Thu Apr 08, 2021 11:36 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Anyone still on here from 9 years ago?!
Replies: 322
Views: 47116

Re: Anyone still on here from 9 years ago?!

DOLOMITE wrote:
Thu Apr 08, 2021 10:07 am
wow, some real blasts from the past there. Might just be me bit feels like we had an older demograpic "back in the day". And I'm still unsure if we even have any female posters these days.
I miss Guia. And Laura was quite good and informed
by Siao7
Thu Apr 08, 2021 9:48 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Anyone still on here from 9 years ago?!
Replies: 322
Views: 47116

Re: Anyone still on here from 9 years ago?!

Fiki is still around, haven't seen Blake for a while
by Siao7
Tue Apr 06, 2021 7:39 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Official Max Verstappen thread
Replies: 257
Views: 47146

Re: Official Max Verstappen thread

If we are to believe this, then Max did brilliant:

https://www.grandprix247.com/2021/04/04 ... rand-prix/
by Siao7
Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:48 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Which team has the best driver pairing?
Replies: 113
Views: 4210

Re: Which team has the best driver pairing?

Is this the thread where we were discussing Bottas's treatment from Merc? This doesn't seem to paint it well: https://www.planetf1.com/news/toto-wolff-cuts-valtteri-bottas-off/ I would say it's not. That probably belongs in either the Valtteri Bottas thread or in a new one. This thread is for evalu...
by Siao7
Wed Mar 31, 2021 8:11 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Hamilton's Sportsmanship (split from Bahrain 2021 Race Thread)
Replies: 94
Views: 3967

Re: Hamilton's Sportsmanship (split from Bahrain 2021 Race Thread)

Verstappen’s sportsmanship is what needs to be discussed. He let Hamilton through between turns 10 and 11 because he said it would be “unfair” to let him through later in the lap and then DRS pass him down the main straight. That is Hakkinen level sportsmanship. Guys like Alonso or Hamilton, althou...
by Siao7
Wed Mar 31, 2021 7:20 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Which team has the best driver pairing?
Replies: 113
Views: 4210

Re: Which team has the best driver pairing?

Is this the thread where we were discussing Bottas's treatment from Merc? This doesn't seem to paint it well: https://www.planetf1.com/news/toto-wolff-cuts-valtteri-bottas-off/ I would say it's not. That probably belongs in either the Valtteri Bottas thread or in a new one. This thread is for evalu...
by Siao7
Tue Mar 30, 2021 5:05 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: 2022 18" tyres tested.
Replies: 10
Views: 862

Re: 2022 18" tyres tested.

Might be a stupid question but what will the performance difference be? I haven't looked into it yet... I don't know, but I guess the much smaller sidewall means they will be a lot stiffer. I assume the cars will maybe need more suspension travel to cope with hitting kerbs as an awful lot of that i...
by Siao7
Tue Mar 30, 2021 3:42 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: 2022 18" tyres tested.
Replies: 10
Views: 862

Re: 2022 18" tyres tested.

They do look weird...
by Siao7
Tue Mar 30, 2021 10:48 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Hamilton's Sportsmanship (split from Bahrain 2021 Race Thread)
Replies: 94
Views: 3967

Re: Hamilton's Sportsmanship (split from Bahrain 2021 Race Thread)

One important factor in Max not being able to repass Hamilton was that he went to the dirty side of the track to let him through, collecting lots of dust and sand on his tyres. I don't think they really recovered from that. How long does it take for the tyres to get back to proper performance level...
by Siao7
Tue Mar 30, 2021 9:30 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Which team has the best driver pairing?
Replies: 113
Views: 4210

Re: Which team has the best driver pairing?

Is this the thread where we were discussing Bottas's treatment from Merc? This doesn't seem to paint it well:

https://www.planetf1.com/news/toto-wolf ... ottas-off/
by Siao7
Tue Mar 30, 2021 9:27 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: 2021 Bahrain Grand Prix Race Thread
Replies: 271
Views: 13803

Re: 2021 Bahrain Grand Prix Race Thread

UnlikeUday wrote:
Tue Mar 30, 2021 8:52 am
Can anyone decipher this chart?

Image
Source - Imgur
Seems like lap times?
by Siao7
Tue Mar 30, 2021 8:16 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Hamilton's Sportsmanship (split from Bahrain 2021 Race Thread)
Replies: 94
Views: 3967

Re: Hamilton's Sportsmanship (split from Bahrain 2021 Race Thread)

One important factor in Max not being able to repass Hamilton was that he went to the dirty side of the track to let him through, collecting lots of dust and sand on his tyres. I don't think they really recovered from that. How long does it take for the tyres to get back to proper performance level...
by Siao7
Tue Mar 30, 2021 8:14 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Hamilton's Sportsmanship (split from Bahrain 2021 Race Thread)
Replies: 94
Views: 3967

Re: Hamilton's Sportsmanship (split from Bahrain 2021 Race Thread)

I think all current drivers would have learned from the Hamilton/Spa incident. Max pace and tyre offset was pretty strong here. I think most would have expected him to get the job done again. I'm sure he gave the place back as quickly as possible so that they could race 1-2 for a resonable number o...
by Siao7
Mon Mar 29, 2021 2:31 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Hamilton's Sportsmanship (split from Bahrain 2021 Race Thread)
Replies: 94
Views: 3967

Re: 2021 Bahrain Grand Prix Race Thread

Hamilton came out of the car and told reporters in the interviews immediately after that the team had told him to let Trulli back past. The team were unaware of the recordings and made the decision to lie to the stewards, which obviously required instructing Hamilton to do the same - and therefore ...
by Siao7
Mon Mar 29, 2021 1:59 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Hamilton's Sportsmanship (split from Bahrain 2021 Race Thread)
Replies: 94
Views: 3967

Re: Hamilton's Sportsmanship (split from Bahrain 2021 Race Thread)

Mod Aqua wrote:
Mon Mar 29, 2021 1:57 pm
Probably going to regret this, but if you all are so keen on bringing up Crashgate and Liegate, let's at least not derail the main race thread with it...
Sorry, bad timing, I posted my reply before I saw this, apologies Mod Aqua