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1. Ricciardo
2. Hamilton
3. Alonso
4. Rosberg
5. Bottas
6. Button
7. Vettel
8. Hulkenberg
9. Vergne
10. Massa

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When do you think he showed him what he was made of? Spa? If so that was his biggest mistake of the season. It riled Hamilton up and sent him on a run of wins. I sincerely doubt that paints the complete picture, but what you say is correct. He should never have accepted what Hamilton did in Bahrain...

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There should be no doubt about Vettel and I don't know why there is. He has won four world championships and won a race in a Torro Rosso... from pole. The kid is a machine, he's had a bad year. It happens. Kimi on the other hand is also great, its his motivation that seems to lack especially if he ...

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I think Ricciardo and Alonso definitely would have. Vettel likely would have. Button, Raikkonen and Hulkenberg would have been in contention. They'd have won plenty of races, but I'm not sure they'd have had the raw speed to beat Nico to the title. Bottas would have won plenty of races too, but I th...

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Button has been proven to the point that i expect Alonso to beat him, i'm not sure how proven you are when you lose to another driver 2 seasons out of 3? You don't have to beat an elite driver in order to prove yourself. There was no disgrace for Jenson in losing to Lewis, not when many people misg...

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The thing that seperates Button from Kimi and Massa is that he has previously been proven alongside Hamilton, who seems to be considered by a fair few as the only driver who comes close to Alonso. Kimi and Massa's best benchmarks were each other - so you could argue both those drivers were overrate...

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The thing that seperates Button from Kimi and Massa is that he has previously been proven alongside Hamilton, who seems to be considered by a fair few as the only driver who comes close to Alonso. Kimi and Massa's best benchmarks were each other - so you could argue both those drivers were overrated...

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I'm no Lewis fan at all, but the FIA offered both him and Alonso immunity in return for evidence during the FIA investigation. Lewis gave no evidence and he was still cleared of any wrongdoing. So if you claim Lewis was involved in spygate, you're a liar. Either that, or the FIA covered up Hamilton'...

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From what I remember the only role Lewis had to play was beating Alonso. It was Alonso who insisted on team orders at Monaco, it was Alonso who blocked Lewis in qualifying in Hungary and then threatened to go to the FIA with the Spygate info.... to me it stank of toys out of the pram simply because...

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From what I remember the only role Lewis had to play was beating Alonso. It was Alonso who insisted on team orders at Monaco, it was Alonso who blocked Lewis in qualifying in Hungary and then threatened to go to the FIA with the Spygate info.... to me it stank of toys out of the pram simply because...

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so Ron said "For many reasons our negotiations with Jenson took quite a long time" surely then Jenson was not in the dark as he portrayed himsef to be Contract talks are not something I enjoy. The company want what they want, the employee wants what they want. They confirmed two seasons, I get the ...

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Common sense should have given the drive to Button long ago. He is by far the best driver available, has more to give due to the relaxation of the weight regulations, should have several years left in him considering he is only 34, and is also very marketable albeit if only in the UK. Really, as far...

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So tough to call it between the Mercedes and McLaren line-ups. I think McLaren may nick it, just. A fair amount of people seem to be saying 'Everyone thought Ferrari had the best '14 line up and look what happened...' but we can only judge on the evidence we have at the time. Everyone dismisses Kimi...

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Call Vettel cowardly all you want... But if you were in Vettel's shoes, seeing that your reputation may be under threat thanks to your incredibly talented team-mate, and knowing how bad the Renault PU is... You would jump ship while your stock was still high. Anyone would. The timing of Vettel going...

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Whoops I had the hungary results reversed so it was 6-8 indeed, however the average finishing position when both finished is still in Valtteri's favour and you can't ignore the fact that Bottas's sole retirement was mechanical while all of Massa's 4 retirements were caused by collisions (not all hi...

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Hamilton isn't even in the running in my view - he's proven that Button is a better racer Wait... What?!? Ahead when both finished: Hamilton 24-13 Button ... In no language does that mean Button is a better racer. and Rosberg is a better qualifier in the same machinery In dry qualifying sessions, H...

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[ Valtteri Bottas has the potential to win multiple WDCs but he got too much credit for his 2014 efforts, IMO. When he and Massa reached the chequered flag, Massa was ahead more often than Bottas was. Considering Massa is established relative to Alonso, that tells me all I need to know - Bottas has...

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I don't believe there is one overall winner. Each have different for different tracks.It is probably worth considering the conventional wisdom. Who are the top six drivers in F1? They are as follows... 1. Fernando Alonso 2. Lewis Hamilton The two most complete drivers in the sport, plain and simple...

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Hey guys I remember there was an sportsmanship moment in v8 series last year where a driver pulled out another driver after a crash and made sure he was ok. I'm not sure why I don't remember any this year, perhaps someone can shed some more info on this matter https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzUFr2...

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The Ferrari's cars have gotten worse since Alonso got there, but if you think that's the fault of Alonso then you're a clown. All these F1 drivers spent the majority of their lives training to drive these cars. They are not engineers. Any large scale improvement to the car is down to the designers....

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Although it was a recovery drive in a way I think it would have to go to Rosberg in Canada. Achieving 2nd in Canada without ERS for most of the race was pretty impressive. He was helped out by Perez who for some reason didn't want to win and was holding everybody up for a while but if you look at R...

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Massa, almost world champ = 134 points (36 from double points) Bottas new boy over rated = 186 points (30 from double points) This is so narrow-minded. Such a flawed way of looking at it. Massa may be a former title contender, but the fact is that means very little when assessing his ability as a d...

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No question in my mind that Bottas is overrated. He has the potential, and I do believe he is a future WDC, but I think people are jumping on the bandwagon far too soon. The fact that Massa was ahead more often when both finished - that tells me all I need to know. Massa is still Alonso's old bench...

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Alonso at Hungary. To keep himself in contention for victory at the end of that race, on much older, softer tyres and in a much slower car - wow. A near superhuman effort.

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No question in my mind that Bottas is overrated. He has the potential, and I do believe he is a future WDC, but I think people are jumping on the bandwagon far too soon. The fact that Massa was ahead more often when both finished - that tells me all I need to know. Massa is still Alonso's old benchm...

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I think though that two of the biggest question marks surrounding Hamilton before this year were... - His racing intelligence (given his team-mate's reputation) - His ability to handle pressure (given his driving errors in previous title battles) ... I think it's safe to say he has answered both qu...

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Hard to choose today. Many drivers impressed but not sure any of them had a perfect race. Definitely not the Merc drivers for reasons already mentioned several times in this thread. Button is a good shout because he got the best possible result, though I can't help feeling he took a bit too long to ...

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This isn't even a discussion... Alonso round the outside of Vettel at Copse wasn't just the pass of the season, but maybe the pass of the decade so far. How many passes do you see on the outside of Copse? There are some other noteworthy mentions, however... Hulk on Magnussen at Monaco Bottas on Butt...

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At their best, I think it is impossible to seperate them. With top drivers like these two, greatness is a given. To determine who is better, you have to look at weaknesses rather than strengths. And for me, Lewis shows one weakness that Alonso doesn't - his performance from season-to-season varies q...

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sandman1347, that was a really good accurate summation of the past 7 years at McLaren. Other teams let Vettel win 4 WDCs, he really should only have had 2 on merit. I'd say 2010, 2011 and 2013 Red Bull were clearly superior to the field in terms of the car's performance. 2012 was a different story ...

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Have to go for points in the bag. Then take a new engine in the double bubble race if need be . The double points thing is only an issue if he fails to finish, he could well be in a situation where he needs only a few points to win the title. Remember if NR DNF's in the last race he has won. And be...

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In terms of lap time superiority over the rest of the field, the '92 Williams has to be the most dominant car ever. The Merc isn't in the same league in comparison. But I think the standard needed for dominance has changed massively since '92. The sport is so much more competitive and professional, ...

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But yes, candidates for a Top 20 should include all these names, and one or two more: Taruffi, Rodriguez, Cevert, Ickx, Alesi and Montoya come readily to mind. This was a great post, but I have one slight problem with it... ... Montoya is the most overrated driver I have ever seen. He was barely be...

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Had they not been bought out, they would've faced doom and gloom IMO. They wouldn't have been any more competitive than Merc ended up being, and would've continued to fall back in development. Button's wage demands wouldn't have been met and he'd have gone. Barrichello IIRC was already gone before t...

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The races Jenson finished ahead: Malaysia - Hamilton was ahead at 2/3 distance, but a long 7 second pit stop puts him behind Jenson. He then destroys his tyres. Monaco - Mclaren release Hamilton too late in Q3 and he misses his lap and has to starts 9th in Monaco of all places. Lewis' Q2 time was g...

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I always thought Quick Nick was a highly underrated driver. I would agree with people who put him on a similar level to Hulkenberg. At his prime, Heidfeld was a fairly well-rounded driver with no notable weaknesses, but he perhaps lacked something of a killer instinct needed to make the most of good...

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same as JB fans can't have it both ways, he either won because of the car and no talent, or he won due to talent which Vettel has so much more of than he won 3 more than Button. Okay. So when a driver gets 1 championship-caliber car and wins the championship, he has 'no talent'. But when a driver g...

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Drivers like Hamilton and Alonso change peoples perceptions of other drivers. Button got more recognition for competing with Hamilton than he did his WDC. Rosberg has gone from being a very good qualifier and good racer to a great qualifier and poor racer. Totally agree 100% with this. I don't unde...

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When I say Vettel won some WDC, everyone tells me he got lucky and anyone could have won, so that's why I say that, not to stir up anymore stuff like that. If Vettel got lucky then so did Button but the way I'm told is Vettel cruised to 4 WDC while half-asleep while Button with that Brawn won 1 WDC...

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Drivers like Hamilton and Alonso change peoples perceptions of other drivers. Button got more recognition for competing with Hamilton than he did his WDC. Rosberg has gone from being a very good qualifier and good racer to a great qualifier and poor racer. Totally agree 100% with this. I don't unde...

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