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I believe it's a racing incident in bad weather conditions that mostly costed us a better title challenge, everything is playing in Mercs hands now

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Verstappen will go onto be an absolute star. Ocon, Vandoorne, Leclerc, Wehrlein could go on to be top draw but need to be given the chances to show it. Looks like Wehrlein won't get that chance sadly. Magnussen I think he is showing what he is. A lower midfield driver. Probably a shade down on Gros...

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As soon as FIA stopped the oil burning in Ferrari and couldn't in Merc it was game over.

Both titles are destined to a Merc driver, just as the last 3 years before.

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I would put him as #2 behind Alonso and before Vettel/Hamilton.

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Wasn't it Ferrari that were the worst offenders for that? The lengths some people will go to to discredit others is quite remarkable! Unfortunately reality matters very little to some people these days. Do you honestly believe that the oilburning is a Ferrari invention, talk about hiding from reali...

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Wasn't it Ferrari that were the worst offenders for that? The lengths some people will go to to discredit others is quite remarkable! Unfortunately reality matters very little to some people these days. Do you honestly believe that the oilburning is a Ferrari invention, talk about hiding from reali...

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Ennis wrote:There are certain posters its easier to just not engage with

Fully agree : )

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Now that it has been established, (as a FACT as som like to spell it), that FIA wont be able to have Mercedes follow regulations and therefore have an advantage in qualifying and one lap speed it's quite an uninteresting question for 2017, let's hope that 2018 will be more even in how they follow r...

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Now that it has been established, (as a FACT as som like to spell it), that FIA wont be able to have Mercedes follow regulations and therefore have an advantage in qualifying and one lap speed it's quite an uninteresting question for 2017, let's hope that 2018 will be more even in how they follow r...

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Now that it has been established, (as a FACT as som like to spell it), that FIA wont be able to have Mercedes follow regulations and therefore have an advantage in qualifying and one lap speed it's quite an uninteresting question for 2017, let's hope that 2018 will be more even in how they follow re...

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This post is actually totally irrelevant to the conversation and illustrates the lack of understanding on your part. Kimi and Massa appeared to be about as fast as Hamilton and Alonso that year. Considering the fact that it has been well established that both of them are NOT as fast as Alonso (seei...

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Now I must ask you, is that you Lewis? It must be... No comment on what I wrote? The comparison is about Alonso and Massa, there isn't a need to bring Hamilton into it. But honestly you are basing you're opinions on assumptions I don't agree with, so let's leave it at that, you're not presenting an...

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McLaren had vastly superior drivers with a mildly inferior car . The drivers were good enough to make up for the car. That's really all there is to it. It's not that Massa and Raikkonen were significantly better than they are now relative to Hamilton and Alonso and it's not that Alonso and Hamilton...

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The McLaren of 2007 was voted car of the year in 2007, even Alonso said it was the fastest car, but perhaps you know better than he who drove it? Keep laughing.. "“The car was winner immediately. Starting from scratch was the way to g because 2007 was the year of change as the Bridgestone tyres had...

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So much depends on the car, how you can depend on it's grip and how easy it is to setup and drive, some drivers spend their whole career in low or midfield cars and have to adjust to being handicapped and some spend whole careers in top shelf cars. So much of all of these discussions are resultdriv...

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That was good up to the last bit when you left out Hamilton giving the position back which negated what you said about all the eggs being in the Hamilton basket. Do you honestly beleive that Bottas is not #2? I've seen all season him being told to move over? A #2 driver doesn't get the place given ...

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So much depends on the car, how you can depend on it's grip and how easy it is to setup and drive, some drivers spend their whole career in low or midfield cars and have to adjust to being handicapped and some spend whole careers in top shelf cars. So much of all of these discussions are resultdriv...

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sandman1347 wrote:That's all it is. Mostly it's people in the forum serving their own agendas (which have little to do with the teams and everything to do with the drivers). It's actually completely transparent when you look at who's pushing that agenda...

And you are not : ) ?

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That was good up to the last bit when you left out Hamilton giving the position back which negated what you said about all the eggs being in the Hamilton basket. Do you honestly beleive that Bottas is not #2? I've seen all season him being told to move over? A #2 driver doesn't get the place given ...

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pokerman wrote:That was good up to the last bit when you left out Hamilton giving the position back which negated what you said about all the eggs being in the Hamilton basket.

Do you honestly beleive that Bottas is not #2? I've seen all season him being told to move over?

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So much depends on the car, how you can depend on it's grip and how easy it is to setup and drive, some drivers spend their whole career in low or midfield cars and have to adjust to being handicapped and some spend whole careers in top shelf cars. So much of all of these discussions are resultdrive...

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If we forget about the diesel cars it's obviously Ricciardo

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I find it more suspicious that Toto and Lewis keeps talking about Vettels contract, makes me more suspicious that they are trying to cover up what Lewis has in his.. Comes out more of a "if I'm beaten this year again even if I have the fastest car and a #2 teammate it wont look good, better put the...

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I find it more suspicious that Toto and Lewis keeps talking about Vettels contract, makes me more suspicious that they are trying to cover up what Lewis has in his.. Comes out more of a "if I'm beaten this year again even if I have the fastest car and a #2 teammate it wont look good, better put the ...

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- The McLaren of 2007 and 2008 where easily the best car to have, even voted car of the year both years and based on both McLaren and Ferrari data : )
- Red Bull where never as dominant as Mercedes has been, and with fever dirty tricks
- Ferrari is what every driver should want to drive for

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- Mercedes have had tricks the last years like oil burning, variable suspension etc that overshadows Red Bulls tricks - Alonso should have won 2007 title, if not for Hungary - Max is probably the teammate that NONE of the current drivers want - Without Ferrari F1 would be a lot less viewable - A dri...

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Still Mercedes engine and Ferrari car IMO, Mercedes makes it look easy on saturday, and track position is the key in 2017, so for me easily Mercedes

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Ricciardo for me.

Vettel and Hamilton did what they had to do, Vettel had no chance of overtaking that Mercedes, it only looked close by Lewis mistake on the settings, after he got it right he had power advantage whenever he wanted.

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mikeyg123 wrote: Nobody is bashing Vettel. We're having an interesting discussion.

Do you still believe that : ) look no further than one up and see..

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Since this thread has turned out to be a Vettel bashfest I feel it's not fair to claim it's a disaster after 4 straight titles i a regulation to have a year off coming to grip with the new to come. Add to that that even though Merc was totally dominant 2014 Ricciardo was voted driver of the year at ...

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I'm one of the people who think both Verstappen and Ricciardo would beat Vettel, Ricciardo have already done it once. Also I think Vettel is one of the people who believe he would get beaten by them too, why else would he be so desperate that Kimi is resigned? I think both would beat the 2017 Hamil...

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I'm one of the people who think both Verstappen and Ricciardo would beat Vettel, Ricciardo have already done it once. Also I think Vettel is one of the people who believe he would get beaten by them too, why else would he be so desperate that Kimi is resigned? I think both would beat the 2017 Hamil...

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IMO Alonso came out of 2007 with same points as the #1 driver, not bad at all, but he mainly had himself to blame, perhaps in the future we will know what promises Ron gave him and what happened behind curtains. Vettel in 2014 had won 4 straight titles with the current regs, and has been said before...

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Toto Wollf says it was a discussion where to swap back, it was his decision, "The idea was the last lap into the last corner because that would limit any overtaking opportunities from behind"

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He was faster than Bottas until he got held up by Kimi who himself was held up by Vettel and fell into the 1.2-1.5 second dirty air. When Hamilton joined that train, the pace picked up significantly. Bottas himself was lapping 0.5 a lap quicker after letting Hamilton through and still dropped back....

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I reckon that Lewis knew in his heart of hearts that he was never going to get past Kimi without an error from him. Personally, I think that he wanted to show the team, and his team mate how much faster he was - pure and simple (and he was a lot faster). He did the right thing and gave the place ba...

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Hamilton. A slightly odd choice in so much as his race itself was nothing spectacular with him being unable, perhaps understandably given the nature of the circuit and latest generation of cars, to make any impact ahead of him. However, his honourable intentions as regards to maintaining track posi...

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IMO the headache for Ferrari is nothing compared to the Mercedes introduction to Dieselgate, part one a recall of 3 million cars, yes, 3 million

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Has to be Bottas, pole and race win

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Daniel Ricciardo holding the Mercedes behind him and placing the slower Red Bull on podium again

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