Driver(s) of the Day - 2019 Brazilian Grand Prix
Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2019 6:47 pm
For me,
Verstappen, Gasly & Sainz
Verstappen, Gasly & Sainz
The second pass was a walk in the park with the pace difference on those tires. The first was the important one.j man wrote:Despite very strong drives from Sainz and Gasly, I have to give this one to Max. Had superior pace all day and passed Hamilton for the lead twice, the second pass in particular was utterly brilliant.
The safety car played into Sainz and Gasly's favour in the same way that Verstappen's car speed and performance did. Grosjean could easily have been right up at the top too if the team had the luck the others did. Grosjean was 7th and was left out, and then had a problem and fell right to pretty much last with an issue. It was more luck that made gasly's and Sainz's drive look impressive. Grosjean and some others could have done the same if he had better luck. His qualifying and early race pace was impressive too. His luck then went downhill as it always seems to this year. I think he has to have been the most unlucky driver over a season in simply years. 7 retirements, and other technical issues affecting his race.Asphalt_World wrote:Max drove very well, but having the fastest car in the race makes it a little less of a drive compared to Sainz and Gasly.
Of course, but starting last in a car that's not a front runner, he did bloody well for me.TheGiantHogweed wrote:The safety car played into Sainz and Gasly's favour in the same way that Verstappen's car speed and performance did. Grosjean could easily have been right up at the top too if the team had the luck the others did. Grosjean was 7th and was left out, and then had a problem and fell right to pretty much last with an issue. It was more luck that made gasly's and Sainz's drive look impressive. Grosjean and some others could have done the same if he had better luck. His qualifying and early race pace was impressive too. His luck then went downhill as it always seems to this year. I think he has to have been the most unlucky driver over a season in simply years. 7 retirements, and other technical issues affecting his race.Asphalt_World wrote:Max drove very well, but having the fastest car in the race makes it a little less of a drive compared to Sainz and Gasly.
BIB - behave. They were mighty impressive drives when they were running 6/7th. The fact they finished 2/4th just means Gasly got something to show for it.TheGiantHogweed wrote:The safety car played into Sainz and Gasly's favour in the same way that Verstappen's car speed and performance did. Grosjean could easily have been right up at the top too if the team had the luck the others did. Grosjean was 7th and was left out, and then had a problem and fell right to pretty much last with an issue. It was more luck that made gasly's and Sainz's drive look impressive. Grosjean and some others could have done the same if he had better luck. His qualifying and early race pace was impressive too. His luck then went downhill as it always seems to this year. I think he has to have been the most unlucky driver over a season in simply years. 7 retirements, and other technical issues affecting his race.Asphalt_World wrote:Max drove very well, but having the fastest car in the race makes it a little less of a drive compared to Sainz and Gasly.
This is like saying it was down to kvyat being just as good when he got his podium. Not many seemed that impressed by that. Gasly was better than kvyat back then, but the chaos and safety car helped out massively and in a very similar way. We saw kvyat actually do some decent overtakes too.JN23 wrote:BIB - behave. They were mighty impressive drives when they were running 6/7th. The fact they finished 2/4th just means Gasly got something to show for it.TheGiantHogweed wrote:The safety car played into Sainz and Gasly's favour in the same way that Verstappen's car speed and performance did. Grosjean could easily have been right up at the top too if the team had the luck the others did. Grosjean was 7th and was left out, and then had a problem and fell right to pretty much last with an issue. It was more luck that made gasly's and Sainz's drive look impressive. Grosjean and some others could have done the same if he had better luck. His qualifying and early race pace was impressive too. His luck then went downhill as it always seems to this year. I think he has to have been the most unlucky driver over a season in simply years. 7 retirements, and other technical issues affecting his race.Asphalt_World wrote:Max drove very well, but having the fastest car in the race makes it a little less of a drive compared to Sainz and Gasly.
This forum voted Kvyat driver of the day.TheGiantHogweed wrote:This is like saying it was down to kvyat being just as good when he got his podium. Not many seemed that impressed by that. Gasly was better than kvyat back then, but the chaos and safety car helped out massively and in a very similar way. We saw kvyat actually do some decent overtakes too.JN23 wrote:BIB - behave. They were mighty impressive drives when they were running 6/7th. The fact they finished 2/4th just means Gasly got something to show for it.TheGiantHogweed wrote:The safety car played into Sainz and Gasly's favour in the same way that Verstappen's car speed and performance did. Grosjean could easily have been right up at the top too if the team had the luck the others did. Grosjean was 7th and was left out, and then had a problem and fell right to pretty much last with an issue. It was more luck that made gasly's and Sainz's drive look impressive. Grosjean and some others could have done the same if he had better luck. His qualifying and early race pace was impressive too. His luck then went downhill as it always seems to this year. I think he has to have been the most unlucky driver over a season in simply years. 7 retirements, and other technical issues affecting his race.Asphalt_World wrote:Max drove very well, but having the fastest car in the race makes it a little less of a drive compared to Sainz and Gasly.
I still think the votes are heavily triggered more so because of the luck. Won't stop me voting for him at all though. it was a very good race. But i don't think he was more impressive than verstappen. and even Grosjean impressed me a lot from his pace early on given how bad hass have been recently. But i bet he will get next to no credit based on his reputation.
Gasly was mighty strong and a contender for DOTD before the SCsTheGiantHogweed wrote:The safety car played into Sainz and Gasly's favour in the same way that Verstappen's car speed and performance did. Grosjean could easily have been right up at the top too if the team had the luck the others did. Grosjean was 7th and was left out, and then had a problem and fell right to pretty much last with an issue. It was more luck that made gasly's and Sainz's drive look impressive. Grosjean and some others could have done the same if he had better luck. His qualifying and early race pace was impressive too. His luck then went downhill as it always seems to this year. I think he has to have been the most unlucky driver over a season in simply years. 7 retirements, and other technical issues affecting his race.Asphalt_World wrote:Max drove very well, but having the fastest car in the race makes it a little less of a drive compared to Sainz and Gasly.
I think Gasly would have still got a load of votes without finishing 2nd and I reckon Sainz would have got a fair few too. I'd have still voted for them both.TheGiantHogweed wrote:This is like saying it was down to kvyat being just as good when he got his podium. Not many seemed that impressed by that. Gasly was better than kvyat back then, but the chaos and safety car helped out massively and in a very similar way. We saw kvyat actually do some decent overtakes too.JN23 wrote:BIB - behave. They were mighty impressive drives when they were running 6/7th. The fact they finished 2/4th just means Gasly got something to show for it.TheGiantHogweed wrote:The safety car played into Sainz and Gasly's favour in the same way that Verstappen's car speed and performance did. Grosjean could easily have been right up at the top too if the team had the luck the others did. Grosjean was 7th and was left out, and then had a problem and fell right to pretty much last with an issue. It was more luck that made gasly's and Sainz's drive look impressive. Grosjean and some others could have done the same if he had better luck. His qualifying and early race pace was impressive too. His luck then went downhill as it always seems to this year. I think he has to have been the most unlucky driver over a season in simply years. 7 retirements, and other technical issues affecting his race.Asphalt_World wrote:Max drove very well, but having the fastest car in the race makes it a little less of a drive compared to Sainz and Gasly.
I still think the votes are heavily triggered more so because of the luck. Won't stop me voting for him at all though. it was a very good race. But i don't think he was more impressive than verstappen. and even Grosjean impressed me a lot from his pace early on given how bad hass have been recently. But i bet he will get next to no credit based on his reputation.
I am happy to be corrected on that then. But i do remember a large number of comments reflecting on how lucky he was. I agree his early race was not all that impressive, but i think the end of it once he was on those tyres was quite possibly more impressive than Gasly was in this race at the end.mikeyg123 wrote:This forum voted Kvyat driver of the day.TheGiantHogweed wrote:This is like saying it was down to kvyat being just as good when he got his podium. Not many seemed that impressed by that. Gasly was better than kvyat back then, but the chaos and safety car helped out massively and in a very similar way. We saw kvyat actually do some decent overtakes too.JN23 wrote:BIB - behave. They were mighty impressive drives when they were running 6/7th. The fact they finished 2/4th just means Gasly got something to show for it.TheGiantHogweed wrote:The safety car played into Sainz and Gasly's favour in the same way that Verstappen's car speed and performance did. Grosjean could easily have been right up at the top too if the team had the luck the others did. Grosjean was 7th and was left out, and then had a problem and fell right to pretty much last with an issue. It was more luck that made gasly's and Sainz's drive look impressive. Grosjean and some others could have done the same if he had better luck. His qualifying and early race pace was impressive too. His luck then went downhill as it always seems to this year. I think he has to have been the most unlucky driver over a season in simply years. 7 retirements, and other technical issues affecting his race.Asphalt_World wrote:Max drove very well, but having the fastest car in the race makes it a little less of a drive compared to Sainz and Gasly.
I still think the votes are heavily triggered more so because of the luck. Won't stop me voting for him at all though. it was a very good race. But i don't think he was more impressive than verstappen. and even Grosjean impressed me a lot from his pace early on given how bad hass have been recently. But i bet he will get next to no credit based on his reputation.
I would have given Albon more credit but his situational awareness in the incident with Lewis was pretty bad. He left the door wide open for Lewis to make an attempt even though he knew Lewis was right behind him. Then he neglected to check where Lewis was when he turned in. An amateurish mistake, only partly excusable because he is an F1 rookie.Remmirath wrote:Sainz, Verstappen, and Gasly for me. All of them had really strong drives. Honorable mention to Albon, who was doing rather well.
Third!Blinky McSquinty wrote:This day will go down in history, that almost everyone agreed on the same three drivers. Maybe in different order and for different reasons, but still ....
Sainz for driving what maybe the best drive of his career, going from dead last to fourth. This race catapulted him to number one status within the team, Norris is still respected, but Sainz is the man.
Gasly for taking a mid-field car and driving his best race of his career. near perfect. When the team arrive home they must have a convoy of ambulances to ferry everyone to the nearest hospital, all will be suffering severe alcohol poisoning from the trans-Atlantic flight. Party at thirty thousand feet, woop woop.
And Verstappen for proving that he may be the best driver on the grid, not only taking a very good car to a win, but passing Hamilton in a very spectacular fashion, when he had to. He owned "Hammer Time" in Brazil. He went fast when he had to, and he passed when he had to.
They finished 4th and 5th. I didn't vote for them but I hardly think a vote for them is ridiculous.Siao7 wrote:Kimi - 2 votes
Giovinazzi - 1 vote
I just wish people would get the voting seriously... Maybe this will be my Christmas wish this year!
Yeah Kimi was 0.5s from a podium in an Alfa.mikeyg123 wrote:They finished 4th and 5th. I didn't vote for them but I hardly think a vote for them is ridiculous.Siao7 wrote:Kimi - 2 votes
Giovinazzi - 1 vote
I just wish people would get the voting seriously... Maybe this will be my Christmas wish this year!
Only because of a late SC and a few mishaps of the guys ahead.Covalent wrote:Yeah Kimi was 0.5s from a podium in an Alfa.mikeyg123 wrote:They finished 4th and 5th. I didn't vote for them but I hardly think a vote for them is ridiculous.Siao7 wrote:Kimi - 2 votes
Giovinazzi - 1 vote
I just wish people would get the voting seriously... Maybe this will be my Christmas wish this year!
If you think the Alfa is a poorer car (which it possibly is) then you could make a case for it.Siao7 wrote:Only because of a late SC and a few mishaps of the guys ahead.Covalent wrote:Yeah Kimi was 0.5s from a podium in an Alfa.mikeyg123 wrote:They finished 4th and 5th. I didn't vote for them but I hardly think a vote for them is ridiculous.Siao7 wrote:Kimi - 2 votes
Giovinazzi - 1 vote
I just wish people would get the voting seriously... Maybe this will be my Christmas wish this year!
Ok, maybe I was a bit harsh so I'll have another wish this Christmas(!!), but does anyone genuinely think that they did more than the top 3?
Not my choice for top 3 DoD but I wouldn't be able to disprove (or prove) a claim that they drove better than the top 3.Siao7 wrote:Only because of a late SC and a few mishaps of the guys ahead.Covalent wrote:Yeah Kimi was 0.5s from a podium in an Alfa.mikeyg123 wrote:They finished 4th and 5th. I didn't vote for them but I hardly think a vote for them is ridiculous.Siao7 wrote:Kimi - 2 votes
Giovinazzi - 1 vote
I just wish people would get the voting seriously... Maybe this will be my Christmas wish this year!
Ok, maybe I was a bit harsh so I'll have another wish this Christmas(!!), but does anyone genuinely think that they did more than the top 3?
Fair enough!mikeyg123 wrote:If you think the Alfa is a poorer car (which it possibly is) then you could make a case for it.Siao7 wrote:Only because of a late SC and a few mishaps of the guys ahead.Covalent wrote:Yeah Kimi was 0.5s from a podium in an Alfa.mikeyg123 wrote:They finished 4th and 5th. I didn't vote for them but I hardly think a vote for them is ridiculous.Siao7 wrote:Kimi - 2 votes
Giovinazzi - 1 vote
I just wish people would get the voting seriously... Maybe this will be my Christmas wish this year!
Ok, maybe I was a bit harsh so I'll have another wish this Christmas(!!), but does anyone genuinely think that they did more than the top 3?
Agreed, and while Sainz & Gasly were both excellent, without the safety cars, they wouldn't have finished so close to the front runners.Asphalt_World wrote:Max drove very well, but having the fastest car in the race makes it a little less of a drive compared to Sainz and Gasly.
If that were true then Norris is going to become the greatest of all time and Hulkenberg is as good as Schumacher.F1 MERCENARY wrote:Agreed, and while Sainz & Gasly were both excellent, without the safety cars, they wouldn't have finished so close to the front runners.Asphalt_World wrote:Max drove very well, but having the fastest car in the race makes it a little less of a drive compared to Sainz and Gasly.
I will say however, with all this talk about Verstappen being the best driver on the grid today… First, no he's not, he's not far off, but I'd venture to say the Sainz is even better. Sainz has put on a clinic in the McLaren this year and hasn't made any mistakes that I can recall. In fact, Sainz is likely the DOTY for me. He's been that good and that consistent all year long. In races where he has the outright pace over his teammate he's run excellent races, but on days when Norris is faster, he usually managed to maintain his pace, maximize his opportunities and finish ahead. Really impressive stiff from Sainz and I think if he were in RBR with Verstappen they'd be awfully close, and wouldn't be surprised to see him best Verstappen.