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Author:  UnlikeUday [ Sun Oct 13, 2019 6:37 am ]
Post subject:  Driver(s) of the Day - 2019 Japanese Grand Prix

For me,

Bottas, Sainz, Ricciardo

Author:  Jezza13 [ Sun Oct 13, 2019 6:41 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Driver(s) of the Day - 2019 Japanese Grand Prix

Sainz, Ricciardo & Leclerc for me.

Author:  FormulaFun [ Sun Oct 13, 2019 6:51 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Driver(s) of the Day - 2019 Japanese Grand Prix

Jezza13 wrote:
Sainz, Ricciardo & Leclerc for me.


How can you vote leclerc??? He lost positions at the start, took another car out while damaging his own car, and then he couldn't even spoil mercs party with a fastest lap.

All he did was overtake a load of midfield cars with vastly superior straight line speed

Author:  Jezza13 [ Sun Oct 13, 2019 7:05 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Driver(s) of the Day - 2019 Japanese Grand Prix

FormulaFun wrote:
Jezza13 wrote:
Sainz, Ricciardo & Leclerc for me.


How can you vote leclerc??? He lost positions at the start, took another car out while damaging his own car, and then he couldn't even spoil mercs party with a fastest lap.

All he did was overtake a load of midfield cars with vastly superior straight line speed


Did you vote or did you just decide to comment on who I voted for based on my opinion.

After Sainz & Ricciardo, who else was the stand out driver?

Author:  KingVoid [ Sun Oct 13, 2019 7:20 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Driver(s) of the Day - 2019 Japanese Grand Prix

Well I think that Bottas was certainly a lot more impressive than Leclerc.

Author:  -K- [ Sun Oct 13, 2019 7:23 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Driver(s) of the Day - 2019 Japanese Grand Prix

I picked Sainz and Ricciardo also. Hopefully Leclerc gets a 10 second penalty, allowing the honeybadger to take 6th. I don’t know how he could continue on with a damaged car when Bianchi will affect him more than most if not all of the others. Surely his engineer told him debris was flying off of his car?

I would have picked Norris if I was choosing a third. The others either didn’t stand out, or did things that prevented me from choosing them. I think Norris would be a lot closer to Sainz if he didn’t keep getting hit with bad luck.

Author:  FormulaFun [ Sun Oct 13, 2019 7:23 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Driver(s) of the Day - 2019 Japanese Grand Prix

Jezza13 wrote:
FormulaFun wrote:
Jezza13 wrote:
Sainz, Ricciardo & Leclerc for me.


How can you vote leclerc??? He lost positions at the start, took another car out while damaging his own car, and then he couldn't even spoil mercs party with a fastest lap.

All he did was overtake a load of midfield cars with vastly superior straight line speed


Did you vote or did you just decide to comment on who I voted for based on my opinion.

After Sainz & Ricciardo, who else was the stand out driver?


Yeah I voted for Sainz, Riccardo and Bottas.

You know bottas, the guy that won the race by a clear margin after overtaking both the Ferraris at the start on then opening a gap of ~10 seconds in the first stint.

I don't know why you have this tone with me when I ask you a simple question as to what made you vote for leclerc, considering he was bad in every way

Maybe you would have voted for bottas if instead of winning the race he crashed into the back of vettel and then brought it home in 6th place

Author:  Covalent [ Sun Oct 13, 2019 7:38 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Driver(s) of the Day - 2019 Japanese Grand Prix

Yeah Leclerc over Bottas is a bad, bad call.

Author:  TheGiantHogweed [ Sun Oct 13, 2019 7:49 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Driver(s) of the Day - 2019 Japanese Grand Prix

I really don't want to be against Sainz (will still vote for him), but something gives me the feeling McLaren is just such a good car and is well ahead of the rest of the midfield. I feel this is making Sainz look better than he is. I almost get the feeling Verstappen could very often beat other drivers in the Red Bull in that car.


Just think that McLaren is now a lot better than many realise. Plus the fact that Norris is not comparable due to bad luck well over half the time it seems!

Author:  Jezza13 [ Sun Oct 13, 2019 7:56 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Driver(s) of the Day - 2019 Japanese Grand Prix

FormulaFun wrote:
Jezza13 wrote:
FormulaFun wrote:
Jezza13 wrote:
Sainz, Ricciardo & Leclerc for me.


How can you vote leclerc??? He lost positions at the start, took another car out while damaging his own car, and then he couldn't even spoil mercs party with a fastest lap.

All he did was overtake a load of midfield cars with vastly superior straight line speed


Did you vote or did you just decide to comment on who I voted for based on my opinion.

After Sainz & Ricciardo, who else was the stand out driver?


Yeah I voted for Sainz, Riccardo and Bottas.

You know bottas, the guy that won the race by a clear margin after overtaking both the Ferraris at the start on then opening a gap of ~10 seconds in the first stint.

I don't know why you have this tone with me when I ask you a simple question as to what made you vote for leclerc, considering he was bad in every way

Maybe you would have voted for bottas if instead of winning the race he crashed into the back of vettel and then brought it home in 6th place


Exactly what tone are you alluding to? I too just asked a simple question.

I agree Leclerc had a bad start & yes he should've pitted straight away to get the wing changed.

Based on recent events I see the incident with Verstappen as simply a racing incident, nothing more. That aside, I feel Leclerc drove a fine race.

Bottas too drove well, but he didn't out drive the 2 Ferrari's into turn 1, they botched the start. Once he was in to turn 1, he simply pulled away & , either by design or accident, team strategy seemed to fall his way too.

In the end though, the beauty of these opinion based polls is just that, they're based on opinion.

Author:  TheGiantHogweed [ Sun Oct 13, 2019 8:06 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Driver(s) of the Day - 2019 Japanese Grand Prix

Jezza13 wrote:
FormulaFun wrote:
Jezza13 wrote:
FormulaFun wrote:
Jezza13 wrote:
Sainz, Ricciardo & Leclerc for me.


How can you vote leclerc??? He lost positions at the start, took another car out while damaging his own car, and then he couldn't even spoil mercs party with a fastest lap.

All he did was overtake a load of midfield cars with vastly superior straight line speed


Did you vote or did you just decide to comment on who I voted for based on my opinion.

After Sainz & Ricciardo, who else was the stand out driver?


Yeah I voted for Sainz, Riccardo and Bottas.

You know bottas, the guy that won the race by a clear margin after overtaking both the Ferraris at the start on then opening a gap of ~10 seconds in the first stint.

I don't know why you have this tone with me when I ask you a simple question as to what made you vote for leclerc, considering he was bad in every way

Maybe you would have voted for bottas if instead of winning the race he crashed into the back of vettel and then brought it home in 6th place


Exactly what tone are you alluding to? I too just asked a simple question.

I agree Leclerc had a bad start & yes he should've pitted straight away to get the wing changed.

Based on recent events I see the incident with Verstappen as simply a racing incident, nothing more. That aside, I feel Leclerc drove a fine race.

Bottas too drove well, but he didn't out drive the 2 Ferrari's into turn 1, they botched the start. Once he was in to turn 1, he simply pulled away & , either by design or accident, team strategy seemed to fall his way too.

In the end though, the beauty of these opinion based polls is just that, they're based on opinion.

Not sure it fell his way. If hamilton had beaten Bottas due to a 1 stop, that is the exact opposite for Hamilton. Bottas got a great start and did all he needed to to deserve this win. Don't think he exactly had luck.

Author:  FormulaFun [ Sun Oct 13, 2019 8:12 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Driver(s) of the Day - 2019 Japanese Grand Prix

Jezza13 wrote:
FormulaFun wrote:
Jezza13 wrote:
FormulaFun wrote:
Jezza13 wrote:
Sainz, Ricciardo & Leclerc for me.


How can you vote leclerc??? He lost positions at the start, took another car out while damaging his own car, and then he couldn't even spoil mercs party with a fastest lap.

All he did was overtake a load of midfield cars with vastly superior straight line speed


Did you vote or did you just decide to comment on who I voted for based on my opinion.

After Sainz & Ricciardo, who else was the stand out driver?


Yeah I voted for Sainz, Riccardo and Bottas.

You know bottas, the guy that won the race by a clear margin after overtaking both the Ferraris at the start on then opening a gap of ~10 seconds in the first stint.

I don't know why you have this tone with me when I ask you a simple question as to what made you vote for leclerc, considering he was bad in every way

Maybe you would have voted for bottas if instead of winning the race he crashed into the back of vettel and then brought it home in 6th place


Exactly what tone are you alluding to? I too just asked a simple question.

I agree Leclerc had a bad start & yes he should've pitted straight away to get the wing changed.

Based on recent events I see the incident with Verstappen as simply a racing incident, nothing more. That aside, I feel Leclerc drove a fine race.

Bottas too drove well, but he didn't out drive the 2 Ferrari's into turn 1, they botched the start. Once he was in to turn 1, he simply pulled away & , either by design or accident, team strategy seemed to fall his way too.

In the end though, the beauty of these opinion based polls is just that, they're based on opinion.


He got a better start than them/they botched their starts

Same thing - eiher way you look at it leclerc did a bad job

Author:  pokerman [ Sun Oct 13, 2019 1:11 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Driver(s) of the Day - 2019 Japanese Grand Prix

I'm just wondering if Mercedes had not pitted Hamilton and he had won the race would he have got the DoTD?

On this basis I vote for no one.

Author:  Mort Canard [ Sun Oct 13, 2019 1:15 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Driver(s) of the Day - 2019 Japanese Grand Prix

Fairly easy decision: Bottas, Sainz, Ricciardo

Author:  wolfticket [ Sun Oct 13, 2019 10:45 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Driver(s) of the Day - 2019 Japanese Grand Prix

Mort Canard wrote:
Fairly easy decision: Bottas, Sainz, Ricciardo

:thumbup:

Author:  iano [ Sun Oct 13, 2019 11:48 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Driver(s) of the Day - 2019 Japanese Grand Prix

Interesting no one has considered Perez. Yes he crashed on the last lap, but the crash does not appear to be his fault, and his result still had him gaining 8 places during the race.. ok not quite as good as Ricciardo who gained 10 places, but still better than Sainz who only gained his two places due to those in front of him crashing and was the cause of the collision he was involved in. A strange one given he seems his gaining points is an error...despite that it was not his fault that he could have lost those points.

Author:  Exediron [ Mon Oct 14, 2019 4:56 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Driver(s) of the Day - 2019 Japanese Grand Prix

pokerman wrote:
I'm just wondering if Mercedes had not pitted Hamilton and he had won the race would he have got the DoTD?

On this basis I vote for no one.

Probably yes.

But that's no reason to vote for nobody. It's just a reason not to vote for Bottas.

Author:  pokerman [ Mon Oct 14, 2019 11:56 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Driver(s) of the Day - 2019 Japanese Grand Prix

Exediron wrote:
pokerman wrote:
I'm just wondering if Mercedes had not pitted Hamilton and he had won the race would he have got the DoTD?

On this basis I vote for no one.

Probably yes.

But that's no reason to vote for nobody. It's just a reason not to vote for Bottas.

In a situation were it seems the team may have decided who they wanted to win then I can't vote for Bottas.

I've not voted yet, maybe Sainz deserves my vote but then again I'm totally unaware of the battles behind as I was engrossed with the racing at the front.

Author:  Covalent [ Mon Oct 14, 2019 1:40 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Driver(s) of the Day - 2019 Japanese Grand Prix

pokerman wrote:
Exediron wrote:
pokerman wrote:
I'm just wondering if Mercedes had not pitted Hamilton and he had won the race would he have got the DoTD?

On this basis I vote for no one.

Probably yes.

But that's no reason to vote for nobody. It's just a reason not to vote for Bottas.

In a situation were it seems the team may have decided who they wanted to win then I can't vote for Bottas.

I've not voted yet, maybe Sainz deserves my vote but then again I'm totally unaware of the battles behind as I was engrossed with the racing at the front.

Isn't this thread about who was the best driver? What the team do or don't do should have no bearing on that.

Author:  UnlikeUday [ Mon Oct 14, 2019 5:02 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Driver(s) of the Day - 2019 Japanese Grand Prix

iano wrote:
Interesting no one has considered Perez. Yes he crashed on the last lap, but the crash does not appear to be his fault, and his result still had him gaining 8 places during the race.. ok not quite as good as Ricciardo who gained 10 places, but still better than Sainz who only gained his two places due to those in front of him crashing and was the cause of the collision he was involved in. A strange one given he seems his gaining points is an error...despite that it was not his fault that he could have lost those points.


He as always made the most of the opportunities & drove well t gain 8 places. He made some great overtakes as well.

Author:  Siao7 [ Tue Oct 15, 2019 8:58 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Driver(s) of the Day - 2019 Japanese Grand Prix

Kimi got a vote??? How?

Author:  pokerman [ Tue Oct 15, 2019 1:20 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Driver(s) of the Day - 2019 Japanese Grand Prix

Covalent wrote:
pokerman wrote:
Exediron wrote:
pokerman wrote:
I'm just wondering if Mercedes had not pitted Hamilton and he had won the race would he have got the DoTD?

On this basis I vote for no one.

Probably yes.

But that's no reason to vote for nobody. It's just a reason not to vote for Bottas.

In a situation were it seems the team may have decided who they wanted to win then I can't vote for Bottas.

I've not voted yet, maybe Sainz deserves my vote but then again I'm totally unaware of the battles behind as I was engrossed with the racing at the front.

Isn't this thread about who was the best driver? What the team do or don't do should have no bearing on that.

Like I said I'm not aware of how the racing went in the midfield apart from Sainz finishing ahead.

Author:  Covalent [ Wed Oct 16, 2019 6:12 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Driver(s) of the Day - 2019 Japanese Grand Prix

pokerman wrote:
Covalent wrote:
pokerman wrote:
Exediron wrote:
pokerman wrote:
I'm just wondering if Mercedes had not pitted Hamilton and he had won the race would he have got the DoTD?

On this basis I vote for no one.

Probably yes.

But that's no reason to vote for nobody. It's just a reason not to vote for Bottas.

In a situation were it seems the team may have decided who they wanted to win then I can't vote for Bottas.

I've not voted yet, maybe Sainz deserves my vote but then again I'm totally unaware of the battles behind as I was engrossed with the racing at the front.

Isn't this thread about who was the best driver? What the team do or don't do should have no bearing on that.

Like I said I'm not aware of how the racing went in the midfield apart from Sainz finishing ahead.

OK I'm sure you've opted to not vote for either Mercedes driver whenever Hamilton has won and they haven't given a superior strategy to Bottas.

Author:  Siao7 [ Wed Oct 16, 2019 8:43 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Driver(s) of the Day - 2019 Japanese Grand Prix

Covalent wrote:
pokerman wrote:
Covalent wrote:
pokerman wrote:
Exediron wrote:
Probably yes.

But that's no reason to vote for nobody. It's just a reason not to vote for Bottas.

In a situation were it seems the team may have decided who they wanted to win then I can't vote for Bottas.

I've not voted yet, maybe Sainz deserves my vote but then again I'm totally unaware of the battles behind as I was engrossed with the racing at the front.

Isn't this thread about who was the best driver? What the team do or don't do should have no bearing on that.

Like I said I'm not aware of how the racing went in the midfield apart from Sainz finishing ahead.

OK I'm sure you've opted to not vote for either Mercedes driver whenever Hamilton has won and they haven't given a superior strategy to Bottas.

Yeah, I was wondering the same. Does this work both ways?

Author:  pokerman [ Wed Oct 16, 2019 11:28 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Driver(s) of the Day - 2019 Japanese Grand Prix

Siao7 wrote:
Covalent wrote:
pokerman wrote:
Covalent wrote:
pokerman wrote:
In a situation were it seems the team may have decided who they wanted to win then I can't vote for Bottas.

I've not voted yet, maybe Sainz deserves my vote but then again I'm totally unaware of the battles behind as I was engrossed with the racing at the front.

Isn't this thread about who was the best driver? What the team do or don't do should have no bearing on that.

Like I said I'm not aware of how the racing went in the midfield apart from Sainz finishing ahead.

OK I'm sure you've opted to not vote for either Mercedes driver whenever Hamilton has won and they haven't given a superior strategy to Bottas.

Yeah, I was wondering the same. Does this work both ways?

Good question so I went back to see who I voted for in Sochi last year, I voted for Bottas and Leclerc despite Hamilton wining the race, that was kind of strange because I normally only vote for one driver.

Quote:
Driver(s) of the day was / were:-
Click to Sort Descending
1. Lewis Hamilton 11% 11% [ 17 ]
2. Valtteri Bottas 19% 19% [ 29 ] x
3. Sebastian Vettel 1% 1% [ 2 ]
4. Kimi Raikkonen 1% 1% [ 1 ]
5. Daniel Ricciardo 1% 1% [ 2 ]
6. Max Verstappen 33% 33% [ 50 ]
7. Sergio Perez 0% 0% [ 0 ]
8. Esteban Ocon 1% 1% [ 1 ]
9. Sergey Sirotkin 0% 0% [ 0 ]
10. Lance Stroll 0% 0% [ 0 ]
11. Fernando Alonso 1% 1% [ 2 ]
12. Stoffel Vandoorne 1% 1% [ 2 ]
13. Pierre Gasly 0% 0% [ 0 ]
14. Brandon Hartley 0% 0% [ 0 ]
15. Romain Grosjean 0% 0% [ 0 ]
16. Kevin Magnussen 5% 5% [ 7 ]
17. Nico Hulkenberg 0% 0% [ 0 ]
18. Carlos Sainz 0% 0% [ 0 ]
19. Marcus Ericsson 0% 0% [ 0 ]
20. Charles Leclerc 25% 25% [ 37 ] x

Author:  Covalent [ Thu Oct 17, 2019 7:06 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Driver(s) of the Day - 2019 Japanese Grand Prix

pokerman wrote:
Siao7 wrote:
Covalent wrote:
pokerman wrote:
Covalent wrote:
Isn't this thread about who was the best driver? What the team do or don't do should have no bearing on that.

Like I said I'm not aware of how the racing went in the midfield apart from Sainz finishing ahead.

OK I'm sure you've opted to not vote for either Mercedes driver whenever Hamilton has won and they haven't given a superior strategy to Bottas.

Yeah, I was wondering the same. Does this work both ways?

Good question so I went back to see who I voted for in Sochi last year, I voted for Bottas and Leclerc despite Hamilton wining the race, that was kind of strange because I normally only vote for one driver.

Quote:
Driver(s) of the day was / were:-
Click to Sort Descending
1. Lewis Hamilton 11% 11% [ 17 ]
2. Valtteri Bottas 19% 19% [ 29 ] x
3. Sebastian Vettel 1% 1% [ 2 ]
4. Kimi Raikkonen 1% 1% [ 1 ]
5. Daniel Ricciardo 1% 1% [ 2 ]
6. Max Verstappen 33% 33% [ 50 ]
7. Sergio Perez 0% 0% [ 0 ]
8. Esteban Ocon 1% 1% [ 1 ]
9. Sergey Sirotkin 0% 0% [ 0 ]
10. Lance Stroll 0% 0% [ 0 ]
11. Fernando Alonso 1% 1% [ 2 ]
12. Stoffel Vandoorne 1% 1% [ 2 ]
13. Pierre Gasly 0% 0% [ 0 ]
14. Brandon Hartley 0% 0% [ 0 ]
15. Romain Grosjean 0% 0% [ 0 ]
16. Kevin Magnussen 5% 5% [ 7 ]
17. Nico Hulkenberg 0% 0% [ 0 ]
18. Carlos Sainz 0% 0% [ 0 ]
19. Marcus Ericsson 0% 0% [ 0 ]
20. Charles Leclerc 25% 25% [ 37 ] x

And all the other races Lewis won you've voted for Bottas as well?
Whoever is ahead after the first lap gets the optimum strategy, we've seen this countless times. Yet I don't think you've voted for Bottas even if he could have won with a strategy that got him ahead of Lewis.

Author:  pokerman [ Thu Oct 17, 2019 10:58 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Driver(s) of the Day - 2019 Japanese Grand Prix

Covalent wrote:
pokerman wrote:
Siao7 wrote:
Covalent wrote:
pokerman wrote:
Like I said I'm not aware of how the racing went in the midfield apart from Sainz finishing ahead.

OK I'm sure you've opted to not vote for either Mercedes driver whenever Hamilton has won and they haven't given a superior strategy to Bottas.

Yeah, I was wondering the same. Does this work both ways?

Good question so I went back to see who I voted for in Sochi last year, I voted for Bottas and Leclerc despite Hamilton wining the race, that was kind of strange because I normally only vote for one driver.

Quote:
Driver(s) of the day was / were:-
Click to Sort Descending
1. Lewis Hamilton 11% 11% [ 17 ]
2. Valtteri Bottas 19% 19% [ 29 ] x
3. Sebastian Vettel 1% 1% [ 2 ]
4. Kimi Raikkonen 1% 1% [ 1 ]
5. Daniel Ricciardo 1% 1% [ 2 ]
6. Max Verstappen 33% 33% [ 50 ]
7. Sergio Perez 0% 0% [ 0 ]
8. Esteban Ocon 1% 1% [ 1 ]
9. Sergey Sirotkin 0% 0% [ 0 ]
10. Lance Stroll 0% 0% [ 0 ]
11. Fernando Alonso 1% 1% [ 2 ]
12. Stoffel Vandoorne 1% 1% [ 2 ]
13. Pierre Gasly 0% 0% [ 0 ]
14. Brandon Hartley 0% 0% [ 0 ]
15. Romain Grosjean 0% 0% [ 0 ]
16. Kevin Magnussen 5% 5% [ 7 ]
17. Nico Hulkenberg 0% 0% [ 0 ]
18. Carlos Sainz 0% 0% [ 0 ]
19. Marcus Ericsson 0% 0% [ 0 ]
20. Charles Leclerc 25% 25% [ 37 ] x

And all the other races Lewis won you've voted for Bottas as well?
Whoever is ahead after the first lap gets the optimum strategy, we've seen this countless times. Yet I don't think you've voted for Bottas even if he could have won with a strategy that got him ahead of Lewis.

Nominally I would side with whichever driver I thought had been the quickest, 8/9 times out of 10 that tends to be Hamilton, I believe I've shown that I don't automatically vote for Hamilton if I consider he unfairly won a race which is a more practical example then asking me what would I have done if the tables had been reversed in Japan, that's ifs, buts and maybes.

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