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 Post subject: Re: Silly Season 2020!
PostPosted: Fri Oct 11, 2019 3:34 pm 
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It seems unfathomable that the Hulk could be out of a seat, but I'm now struggling to see where he'll get in.


Wow, why?

It's not like it's Verstappen, Hamilton or Leclerc that can't find a drive here. That would be unfathomable.

The Hulk has been mostly making up the numbers his entire grand prix career, so why is it so hard to understand or comprehend that someone in Hulk's position, with very little cold hard results to show for his long career to date, would be the kind of driver making way for new drivers coming through?

His teammates frequently best him and, while he has never had a podium finish, his teammates have had several over the years. At some point the results needed to come. It's miraculous that he made it this far in some ways. Is he F1 caliber? Sure he is, but he's no longer young and he does not have the resume to guarantee anything. He's neither a guy that you can hire to win you a championship (like Hamilton, Vettel, Verstappen, etc.) not is he a young driver with a lot of potential. It's like a big game of musical chairs and he just got caught out when the music stopped.


I think he's a top 10 driver on the grid so for us it's a shame to lose him but for him I sort of see this as a good scenario.

If anything implodes at Ferrari or Red Bull he's got a very good chance of that seat. At this point in his career I doubt he has much to gain by spending yet another midfield year at a team like Alfa or Haas so it's worth waiting it out.

If that doesn't come off there's a hell of a lot of fun a millionaire in his early 30s could have in a year off.



No it's not a shame for us to lose him. Even if he is top 10, then he is only just sneaking in there at best in 9th or 10th place, and it's not like F1 has 100 drivers in it and top 10 is in the top 10%. Being 10th best F1 driver means that you are only at the 50th percentile which is nothing worth mentioning.

I doubt he even is 9th or 10th either, I'm just trying to give you the benefit of the doubt about the notion of him being 'top 10', and even with doing so it is not a shame for us to lose a driver that is middle of the road and mundane with no spice or ability to spring a surprise result out of the hat. He's not even that interesting personality-wise, about the only fun thing he did was to get Magnussen to make the 'balls' comment. Hulk is boring and we should be well shot of him.


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 Post subject: Re: Silly Season 2020!
PostPosted: Fri Oct 11, 2019 5:04 pm 
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sandman1347 wrote:
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It seems unfathomable that the Hulk could be out of a seat, but I'm now struggling to see where he'll get in.


Wow, why?

It's not like it's Verstappen, Hamilton or Leclerc that can't find a drive here. That would be unfathomable.

The Hulk has been mostly making up the numbers his entire grand prix career, so why is it so hard to understand or comprehend that someone in Hulk's position, with very little cold hard results to show for his long career to date, would be the kind of driver making way for new drivers coming through?

His teammates frequently best him and, while he has never had a podium finish, his teammates have had several over the years. At some point the results needed to come. It's miraculous that he made it this far in some ways. Is he F1 caliber? Sure he is, but he's no longer young and he does not have the resume to guarantee anything. He's neither a guy that you can hire to win you a championship (like Hamilton, Vettel, Verstappen, etc.) not is he a young driver with a lot of potential. It's like a big game of musical chairs and he just got caught out when the music stopped.



I think that's a pretty unfair assessment to be honest. Hulk had never been outqualified by a teammate until Ricciardo came along. He has put a midfield car on pole, could have won that race in Brazil 2012 had he not collided with Hamilton, could have had a bunch of podiums if it wasn't for bad luck. Some of that luck was due to him, no doubt, but he has shown that he is plenty quick enough, if not slightly too erratic. But the guy is clearly a talented f1 driver. He is better than more than half the grid for sure. Not a first tier driver but his talent combined with his experience should serve a top team well. So to me it's a shame he never got a shot at a top car whereas the likes of Bottas and Massa did. Those two aren't any better than him, and likely are worse. Personally I think he's done enough work in the midfield and should only accept a top drive at this point or find a new series.


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 Post subject: Re: Silly Season 2020!
PostPosted: Mon Nov 04, 2019 5:10 am 
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As per unofficial reports, Hulk is switching over to DTM for 2020. Williams & Alfa Romeo were his only options & neither of them looks realistic. An announcement relating to this should be made on Tuesday. Sad he never achieved the success which he achieved in lower formulae.

http://www.gptoday.com/full_story/view/700595/Reports_Hulkenberg_moving_to_DTM_confirmation_on_Tuesday_after_American_GP/?fbclid=IwAR0ls6UT8vC44ECwX6O0eI05TXyK6xxlHp_ZyIzaJY-y_-7G1DKyBkm1Fvg#.Xb-wyuO19gE.facebook

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 Post subject: Re: Silly Season 2020!
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Alfa Romeo confirm Giovinazzi for 2020.
https://www.sauber-group.com/motorsport/f1-news/alfa-romeo-racing-and-antonio-giovinazzi-to-continue-together-in-2020/

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 Post subject: Re: Silly Season 2020!
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Albon (understandably) has been confirmed as Verstappen's team-mate for 2020.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/formulaone/article-7676481/Alex-Albon-earns-permanent-Red-Bull-seat-2020-F1-season-impressing.html

Which also brings in Toro Rosso's line-up announcement of Kvyat & Gasly:
https://f1i.com/news/361396-toro-rosso-to-continue-with-gasly-and-kvyat-in-2020.html

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 Post subject: Re: Silly Season 2020!
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UnlikeUday wrote:
As per unofficial reports, Hulk is switching over to DTM for 2020. Williams & Alfa Romeo were his only options & neither of them looks realistic. An announcement relating to this should be made on Tuesday. Sad he never achieved the success which he achieved in lower formulae.

http://www.gptoday.com/full_story/view/700595/Reports_Hulkenberg_moving_to_DTM_confirmation_on_Tuesday_after_American_GP/?fbclid=IwAR0ls6UT8vC44ECwX6O0eI05TXyK6xxlHp_ZyIzaJY-y_-7G1DKyBkm1Fvg#.Xb-wyuO19gE.facebook

A top 10 driver but not top tier, Ricciardo seemed to have the beating of him this year, apparently he could have stayed in F1 but somewhat overvalued his worth.

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 Post subject: Re: Silly Season 2020!
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UnlikeUday wrote:

Giovinazzi really needs to be beating Kimi next year, rookie excuses don't last long.

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 Post subject: Re: Silly Season 2020!
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UnlikeUday wrote:
Albon (understandably) has been confirmed as Verstappen's team-mate for 2020.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/formulaone/article-7676481/Alex-Albon-earns-permanent-Red-Bull-seat-2020-F1-season-impressing.html

Which also brings in Toro Rosso's line-up announcement of Kvyat & Gasly:
https://f1i.com/news/361396-toro-rosso-to-continue-with-gasly-and-kvyat-in-2020.html

Albon is the best choice for Red Bull, he seems to be mentally stronger than Gasly and Kvyat, also I can see next year being Kvyat's last season in F1 if he can't beat Gasly.

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 Post subject: Re: Silly Season 2020!
PostPosted: Tue Nov 12, 2019 12:56 pm 
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This also unofficially confirms Hulk is out of F1 in 2020!

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