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Giovinazzi has never looked special. Sure give him this season but Ferrari should have another youngster ready for next year to test against the tried and tested Kimi benchmark in Alfa Romeo. His slidey driving in Australia was dire so it's just not lack of speed.

His car was damaged in Australia.

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I suspect you have chosen to miss the point. The simple matter is that bringing up team orders in qualifying was unnecessary,not relevent, yet still they brought it up...even if to say it couldn't happen. That, was the point I was trying to make. On that note, let's leave it...I sure as heck don't want another year of this.

It's just how Brundle likes to think! He's always been going on about team orders in commentary (especially at Ferrari) for years, even before they were legalised again. Guess it's just something you guys over the pond are going to have to get used to. Even with their Hamilton/Verstappen love fest on C4, I always watch their footage as I hate the Sky commentary team so much!

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So Grosjean has a three place grid penalty and is only 4 points away from a race ban:

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/grosjean-bahrain-grid-penalty-norris/4361791/

Well he can thank his team for that penalty.


Not entirely, it seems Vettel started the mess which made Grosjean have to back off more than he needed too.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/norr ... n/4361853/

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F1_Ernie wrote:
pokerman wrote:
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So Grosjean has a three place grid penalty and is only 4 points away from a race ban:

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/grosjean-bahrain-grid-penalty-norris/4361791/

Well he can thank his team for that penalty.


Not entirely, it seems Vettel started the mess which made Grosjean have to back off more than he needed too.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/norr ... n/4361853/

Yes I've seen that but then again did Vettel do that because he was informed that Norris was on a hot lap whilst Grosjean was none the wiser because apparently the drivers can judge such things themselves by simply using their mirrors?

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 31, 2019 1:47 am 
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minchy wrote:
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I suspect you have chosen to miss the point. The simple matter is that bringing up team orders in qualifying was unnecessary,not relevent, yet still they brought it up...even if to say it couldn't happen. That, was the point I was trying to make. On that note, let's leave it...I sure as heck don't want another year of this.

It's just how Brundle likes to think! He's always been going on about team orders in commentary (especially at Ferrari) for years, even before they were legalised again. Guess it's just something you guys over the pond are going to have to get used to. Even with their Hamilton/Verstappen love fest on C4, I always watch their footage as I hate the Sky commentary team so much!

I watched it again and managed to miss what was said again, it must have been said quite fleetingly and not something that was pursued, you guys seemed to be quite triggered by Sky the only English speaking broadcast prepared to pay for the F1 coverage?

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 31, 2019 1:56 am 
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minchy wrote:
Blake wrote:
I suspect you have chosen to miss the point. The simple matter is that bringing up team orders in qualifying was unnecessary,not relevent, yet still they brought it up...even if to say it couldn't happen. That, was the point I was trying to make. On that note, let's leave it...I sure as heck don't want another year of this.

It's just how Brundle likes to think! He's always been going on about team orders in commentary (especially at Ferrari) for years, even before they were legalised again. Guess it's just something you guys over the pond are going to have to get used to. Even with their Hamilton/Verstappen love fest on C4, I always watch their footage as I hate the Sky commentary team so much!


I'm pretty sure Crofty brought it up as a question to Brundle who always answers the questions even how stupid they are.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 31, 2019 1:56 am 
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pokerman wrote:
minchy wrote:
Blake wrote:
I suspect you have chosen to miss the point. The simple matter is that bringing up team orders in qualifying was unnecessary,not relevent, yet still they brought it up...even if to say it couldn't happen. That, was the point I was trying to make. On that note, let's leave it...I sure as heck don't want another year of this.

It's just how Brundle likes to think! He's always been going on about team orders in commentary (especially at Ferrari) for years, even before they were legalised again. Guess it's just something you guys over the pond are going to have to get used to. Even with their Hamilton/Verstappen love fest on C4, I always watch their footage as I hate the Sky commentary team so much!

I watched it again and managed to miss what was said again, it must have been said quite fleetingly and not something that was pursued, you guys seemed to be quite triggered by Sky the only English speaking broadcast prepared to pay for the F1 coverage?

I didn't watch it, I'm only gong on what I've read in this thread and how Brundle has usually commented over the past 2 decades!

And yes, I dislike the Sky footage. Doesn't really matter how much money a company is willing it pay for the rights - if I don't like their footage, I don't like it! My own personal opinion, but Sky's willingness to fork out more money than anyone else won't change that.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 31, 2019 2:03 am 
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pokerman wrote:
F1_Ernie wrote:
pokerman wrote:
Zoue wrote:
So Grosjean has a three place grid penalty and is only 4 points away from a race ban:

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/grosjean-bahrain-grid-penalty-norris/4361791/

Well he can thank his team for that penalty.


Not entirely, it seems Vettel started the mess which made Grosjean have to back off more than he needed too.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/norr ... n/4361853/

Yes I've seen that but then again did Vettel do that because he was informed that Norris was on a hot lap whilst Grosjean was none the wiser because apparently the drivers can judge such things themselves by simply using their mirrors?


I'm not sure overtaking a car before the last corner who is just starting there fast lap is a wise decision, you just put the car offline and let Norris through. It would have all gone smoothly without Vettel doing what he did.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 31, 2019 2:07 am 
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minchy wrote:
pokerman wrote:
minchy wrote:
Blake wrote:
I suspect you have chosen to miss the point. The simple matter is that bringing up team orders in qualifying was unnecessary,not relevent, yet still they brought it up...even if to say it couldn't happen. That, was the point I was trying to make. On that note, let's leave it...I sure as heck don't want another year of this.

It's just how Brundle likes to think! He's always been going on about team orders in commentary (especially at Ferrari) for years, even before they were legalised again. Guess it's just something you guys over the pond are going to have to get used to. Even with their Hamilton/Verstappen love fest on C4, I always watch their footage as I hate the Sky commentary team so much!

I watched it again and managed to miss what was said again, it must have been said quite fleetingly and not something that was pursued, you guys seemed to be quite triggered by Sky the only English speaking broadcast prepared to pay for the F1 coverage?

I didn't watch it, I'm only gong on what I've read in this thread and how Brundle has usually commented over the past 2 decades!

And yes, I dislike the Sky footage. Doesn't really matter how much money a company is willing it pay for the rights - if I don't like their footage, I don't like it! My own personal opinion, but Sky's willingness to fork out more money than anyone else won't change that.


Brundle is one of the best things about Sky, his commentary is very good and I enjoy his knowledge of F1. Brundle doesn't go on about anything really, he only answers the questions put to him by someone who is not very knowledgeable about F1, same with Di Resta and Davidson. I cringe at some of the things Crofty says but we have to put up with him.

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F1_Ernie wrote:
minchy wrote:
Blake wrote:
I suspect you have chosen to miss the point. The simple matter is that bringing up team orders in qualifying was unnecessary,not relevent, yet still they brought it up...even if to say it couldn't happen. That, was the point I was trying to make. On that note, let's leave it...I sure as heck don't want another year of this.

It's just how Brundle likes to think! He's always been going on about team orders in commentary (especially at Ferrari) for years, even before they were legalised again. Guess it's just something you guys over the pond are going to have to get used to. Even with their Hamilton/Verstappen love fest on C4, I always watch their footage as I hate the Sky commentary team so much!


I'm pretty sure Crofty brought it up as a question to Brundle who always answers the questions even how stupid they are.

Everyone knows that Crofty is just a show filler who doesn't really know that much about F1, so Brundle answered that it was impossible but still Brundle gets the hate as well?

My understanding of Sky is that they are serving the UK who pay for the F1 coverage, in respect to America they are not prepared to pay for the coverage but Liberty Media are so keen for F1 to be aired in America that they give ESPN the Sky coverage for free?

Given that we in the UK are paying for the coverage that allows other countries to get the coverage in English, I find it a bit annoying how we are expected to cater for an international audience, less of the Hamilton appreciation, can we have an American commentator, etc, etc, please correct me if I'm wrong?

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 31, 2019 2:20 am 
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F1_Ernie wrote:
pokerman wrote:
F1_Ernie wrote:
pokerman wrote:
Zoue wrote:
So Grosjean has a three place grid penalty and is only 4 points away from a race ban:

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/grosjean-bahrain-grid-penalty-norris/4361791/

Well he can thank his team for that penalty.


Not entirely, it seems Vettel started the mess which made Grosjean have to back off more than he needed too.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/norr ... n/4361853/

Yes I've seen that but then again did Vettel do that because he was informed that Norris was on a hot lap whilst Grosjean was none the wiser because apparently the drivers can judge such things themselves by simply using their mirrors?


I'm not sure overtaking a car before the last corner who is just starting there fast lap is a wise decision, you just put the car offline and let Norris through. It would have all gone smoothly without Vettel doing what he did.

It's to do with tyre warm up as well, Vettel probably judged if he let Norris through his preparation would be compromised whilst Grosjean was unfortunate and none the wiser, maybe he wouldn't have dallied as much, maybe not?

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pokerman wrote:
F1_Ernie wrote:
minchy wrote:
Blake wrote:
I suspect you have chosen to miss the point. The simple matter is that bringing up team orders in qualifying was unnecessary,not relevent, yet still they brought it up...even if to say it couldn't happen. That, was the point I was trying to make. On that note, let's leave it...I sure as heck don't want another year of this.

It's just how Brundle likes to think! He's always been going on about team orders in commentary (especially at Ferrari) for years, even before they were legalised again. Guess it's just something you guys over the pond are going to have to get used to. Even with their Hamilton/Verstappen love fest on C4, I always watch their footage as I hate the Sky commentary team so much!


I'm pretty sure Crofty brought it up as a question to Brundle who always answers the questions even how stupid they are.

Everyone knows that Crofty is just a show filler who doesn't really know that much about F1, so Brundle answered that it was impossible but still Brundle gets the hate as well?

My understanding of Sky is that they are serving the UK who pay for the F1 coverage, in respect to America they are not prepared to pay for the coverage but Liberty Media are so keen for F1 to be aired in America that they give ESPN the Sky coverage for free?

Given that we in the UK are paying for the coverage that allows other countries to get the coverage in English, I find it a bit annoying how we are expected to cater for an international audience, less of the Hamilton appreciation, can we have an American commentator, etc, etc, please correct me if I'm wrong?


I'm pretty sure Crofty asked the question and Brundle answered it's impossible apart from turning down engine modes which no team would do. I wasnt sure why Brundle was being brought into it so that's why I thought I would answer the comments, all the pundits get drawn into Croftys nonsense which is a pity really, its cringy sometimes because some of the questions are that bad even us fans are thinking ffs.

I always thought Sky was exclusively for the UK and I have read many times on numerous forums posters moaning the show is very much about Hamilton, I feel like screaming what do you expect from a UK show. To me it's like watching ITV for an England game and moaning about them talking about England, I'm not sure what some people expect really.
I wont deny I have my own problems with Sky but that's mainly the issues with Crofty and why I watched CH4 when I could.

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pokerman wrote:
F1_Ernie wrote:
minchy wrote:
Blake wrote:
I suspect you have chosen to miss the point. The simple matter is that bringing up team orders in qualifying was unnecessary,not relevent, yet still they brought it up...even if to say it couldn't happen. That, was the point I was trying to make. On that note, let's leave it...I sure as heck don't want another year of this.

It's just how Brundle likes to think! He's always been going on about team orders in commentary (especially at Ferrari) for years, even before they were legalised again. Guess it's just something you guys over the pond are going to have to get used to. Even with their Hamilton/Verstappen love fest on C4, I always watch their footage as I hate the Sky commentary team so much!


I'm pretty sure Crofty brought it up as a question to Brundle who always answers the questions even how stupid they are.

Everyone knows that Crofty is just a show filler who doesn't really know that much about F1, so Brundle answered that it was impossible but still Brundle gets the hate as well?

My understanding of Sky is that they are serving the UK who pay for the F1 coverage, in respect to America they are not prepared to pay for the coverage but Liberty Media are so keen for F1 to be aired in America that they give ESPN the Sky coverage for free?

Given that we in the UK are paying for the coverage that allows other countries to get the coverage in English, I find it a bit annoying how we are expected to cater for an international audience, less of the Hamilton appreciation, can we have an American commentator, etc, etc, please correct me if I'm wrong?

If it's any consolation, I much preferred watching on Fox Sports and NBCSN. Not because of any national biases, but because I hate how inconsistent ESPN's coverage is (never know which sessions are going to air any given weekend), and Crofty seems like he's just been introduced to F1. Not sure why ESPN has the agreement; they don't seem to care about motorsport at all.


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JN23 wrote:
How do you use team orders in qualifying?


Technically you could keep a car in the garage...


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How do you use team orders in qualifying?


Technically you could keep a car in the garage...


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F1_Ernie wrote:
pokerman wrote:
F1_Ernie wrote:
minchy wrote:
Blake wrote:
I suspect you have chosen to miss the point. The simple matter is that bringing up team orders in qualifying was unnecessary,not relevent, yet still they brought it up...even if to say it couldn't happen. That, was the point I was trying to make. On that note, let's leave it...I sure as heck don't want another year of this.

It's just how Brundle likes to think! He's always been going on about team orders in commentary (especially at Ferrari) for years, even before they were legalised again. Guess it's just something you guys over the pond are going to have to get used to. Even with their Hamilton/Verstappen love fest on C4, I always watch their footage as I hate the Sky commentary team so much!


I'm pretty sure Crofty brought it up as a question to Brundle who always answers the questions even how stupid they are.

Everyone knows that Crofty is just a show filler who doesn't really know that much about F1, so Brundle answered that it was impossible but still Brundle gets the hate as well?

My understanding of Sky is that they are serving the UK who pay for the F1 coverage, in respect to America they are not prepared to pay for the coverage but Liberty Media are so keen for F1 to be aired in America that they give ESPN the Sky coverage for free?

Given that we in the UK are paying for the coverage that allows other countries to get the coverage in English, I find it a bit annoying how we are expected to cater for an international audience, less of the Hamilton appreciation, can we have an American commentator, etc, etc, please correct me if I'm wrong?


I'm pretty sure Crofty asked the question and Brundle answered it's impossible apart from turning down engine modes which no team would do. I wasnt sure why Brundle was being brought into it so that's why I thought I would answer the comments, all the pundits get drawn into Croftys nonsense which is a pity really, its cringy sometimes because some of the questions are that bad even us fans are thinking ffs.

I always thought Sky was exclusively for the UK and I have read many times on numerous forums posters moaning the show is very much about Hamilton, I feel like screaming what do you expect from a UK show. To me it's like watching ITV for an England game and moaning about them talking about England, I'm not sure what some people expect really.
I wont deny I have my own problems with Sky but that's mainly the issues with Crofty and why I watched CH4 when I could.

I think with the majority of Croft's questions he's trying to start a discussion rather than being a reflection of his actual opinion. You can tell that his style is still very much derived from his origins as a radio commentator for BBC Radio 5, where it is necessary to fill the time with pointless babble when there is not much to report on track.

I still don't see this enormous Hamilton bias in the coverage. He is mentioned a lot but I'd put that more down to the fact that he has been at the forefront of the title challenge for the past 5 years. When Sky first got the coverage rights in 2012 it was very Vettel-centric for the same reason. The example of ITV's England football coverage is a much better example of broadcaster bias. Or even worse, the BBC's coverage of the Olympics where the commentary team are literally cheering for the British athletes.


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What is your definition of bias though? To my mind its when say in football/soccer when a cross goes goes straight in the goal one commentator says, "Brilliant effort caught the keeper out" the alternative being "complete fluke, that will never happen again".

I agree there is support for the home team, but is that bias? Nearly all those commentators acknowledge skill by other drivers and can see both sides of the argument in an incident. Results speak for themselves, its hard to say a Championship winning team is receiving bias when they win year after year.

C4's coverage of the qualifying was excellent yesterday by the way, if you get a chance Billy Mongers interview with George Russell was top class, made Max Verstappen look like an old man.


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Yeah I'm an american viewer and I have to agree with the sentiment that Sky commentary gets undeserved flak. Some people are just way too sensitive. I never understood this supposed anti Ferrari stance or pro Hamilton stance that people on here are complaining about. Some people like Crofty can be annoying I get that and lately I feel like Rosberg may have an axe to grind, but overall they do a really solid job.


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Option or Prime wrote:
What is your definition of bias though? To my mind its when say in football/soccer when a cross goes goes straight in the goal one commentator says, "Brilliant effort caught the keeper out" the alternative being "complete fluke, that will never happen again".

I agree there is support for the home team, but is that bias? Nearly all those commentators acknowledge skill by other drivers and can see both sides of the argument in an incident. Results speak for themselves, its hard to say a Championship winning team is receiving bias when they win year after year.

C4's coverage of the qualifying was excellent yesterday by the way, if you get a chance Billy Mongers interview with George Russell was top class, made Max Verstappen look like an old man.


The supposed home team bias is because Hamilton has been the most successful driver over the last few years. So of course they are going to keep praising him. I seem to remember when it was Vettel winning he got all the praise as well. But now the popular narrative is that he is weak. If Hamilton stops winning then you will see some very harsh criticism I am sure.


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kowen1208 wrote:
pokerman wrote:
F1_Ernie wrote:
minchy wrote:
Blake wrote:
I suspect you have chosen to miss the point. The simple matter is that bringing up team orders in qualifying was unnecessary,not relevent, yet still they brought it up...even if to say it couldn't happen. That, was the point I was trying to make. On that note, let's leave it...I sure as heck don't want another year of this.

It's just how Brundle likes to think! He's always been going on about team orders in commentary (especially at Ferrari) for years, even before they were legalised again. Guess it's just something you guys over the pond are going to have to get used to. Even with their Hamilton/Verstappen love fest on C4, I always watch their footage as I hate the Sky commentary team so much!


I'm pretty sure Crofty brought it up as a question to Brundle who always answers the questions even how stupid they are.

Everyone knows that Crofty is just a show filler who doesn't really know that much about F1, so Brundle answered that it was impossible but still Brundle gets the hate as well?

My understanding of Sky is that they are serving the UK who pay for the F1 coverage, in respect to America they are not prepared to pay for the coverage but Liberty Media are so keen for F1 to be aired in America that they give ESPN the Sky coverage for free?

Given that we in the UK are paying for the coverage that allows other countries to get the coverage in English, I find it a bit annoying how we are expected to cater for an international audience, less of the Hamilton appreciation, can we have an American commentator, etc, etc, please correct me if I'm wrong?

If it's any consolation, I much preferred watching on Fox Sports and NBCSN. Not because of any national biases, but because I hate how inconsistent ESPN's coverage is (never know which sessions are going to air any given weekend), and Crofty seems like he's just been introduced to F1. Not sure why ESPN has the agreement; they don't seem to care about motorsport at all.

It's kind of annoying that Crofty is seen as the standard for UK coverage of F1 when everyone knows that he's basically clueless and not an expert, you might see him asking questions that the casual fan might ask and maybe that's his purpose?

Regarding ESPN if you are given something for free then why say no?

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babararacucudada wrote:
It will be interesting if Leclerc shows this year what young, talented drivers can do if given an equal car.

What a young exceptional driver can do.

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F1_Ernie wrote:
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I suspect you have chosen to miss the point. The simple matter is that bringing up team orders in qualifying was unnecessary,not relevent, yet still they brought it up...even if to say it couldn't happen. That, was the point I was trying to make. On that note, let's leave it...I sure as heck don't want another year of this.

It's just how Brundle likes to think! He's always been going on about team orders in commentary (especially at Ferrari) for years, even before they were legalised again. Guess it's just something you guys over the pond are going to have to get used to. Even with their Hamilton/Verstappen love fest on C4, I always watch their footage as I hate the Sky commentary team so much!


I'm pretty sure Crofty brought it up as a question to Brundle who always answers the questions even how stupid they are.

Everyone knows that Crofty is just a show filler who doesn't really know that much about F1, so Brundle answered that it was impossible but still Brundle gets the hate as well?

My understanding of Sky is that they are serving the UK who pay for the F1 coverage, in respect to America they are not prepared to pay for the coverage but Liberty Media are so keen for F1 to be aired in America that they give ESPN the Sky coverage for free?

Given that we in the UK are paying for the coverage that allows other countries to get the coverage in English, I find it a bit annoying how we are expected to cater for an international audience, less of the Hamilton appreciation, can we have an American commentator, etc, etc, please correct me if I'm wrong?


I'm pretty sure Crofty asked the question and Brundle answered it's impossible apart from turning down engine modes which no team would do. I wasnt sure why Brundle was being brought into it so that's why I thought I would answer the comments, all the pundits get drawn into Croftys nonsense which is a pity really, its cringy sometimes because some of the questions are that bad even us fans are thinking ffs.

I always thought Sky was exclusively for the UK and I have read many times on numerous forums posters moaning the show is very much about Hamilton, I feel like screaming what do you expect from a UK show. To me it's like watching ITV for an England game and moaning about them talking about England, I'm not sure what some people expect really.
I wont deny I have my own problems with Sky but that's mainly the issues with Crofty and why I watched CH4 when I could.

Indeed when are the moaners going to realise it's a UK production paid for by UK subscribers, why should they cater for an American viewer when their host broadcaster gets F1 for free, their angst should be against their home broadcasters that won't put their hands in their pockets, if not for Liberty Media and Sky they wouldn't be able to watch F1, not by legal means at least.

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Yeah I'm an american viewer and I have to agree with the sentiment that Sky commentary gets undeserved flak. Some people are just way too sensitive. I never understood this supposed anti Ferrari stance or pro Hamilton stance that people on here are complaining about. Some people like Crofty can be annoying I get that and lately I feel like Rosberg may have an axe to grind, but overall they do a really solid job.

It becomes an extension of the forum if you say one questionable thing about Ferrari then you get labelled.

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Indeed when are the moaners going to realise it's a UK production paid for by UK subscribers, why should they cater for an American viewer when their host broadcaster gets F1 for free, their angst should be against their home broadcasters that won't put their hands in their pockets, if not for Liberty Media and Sky they wouldn't be able to watch F1, not by legal means at least.[/quote]

i guess i am a moaner. it took me a race or three, but i finally realized it wasn't hobbs, machett, and diffey :) sky microphones they hold helped too

i have complained about espn2's coverage, directly to them, they don't respond. they need a broadcast team of their own, they have plenty of options too.

nbcsports "put their hands in their pockets" and had a contract they paid for and a broadcast team, liberty screwed them in an attempt to get us to buy a streaming package that didn't work. also one of the big shots at liberty has a buddy at espn

do you really think liberty didn't give any money to sky so espn could broadcast it ?

the american team on fox, then nbcsports took criticism from american fans, are we not allowed to criticize the brit team because we are americans ? no brits criticise the broadcast team ?

myself, and most of the "moaners" are "moaning" more about the fact that espn doesn't give a rat's behind about the f1 fan in america. this falls on liberty also. they weren't going to charge miami a fee for a race there. take some of that money and set up a broadcast team

as i said in a prior thread about the us f1 broadcast, beats the hell out of waiting a month to get a car magazine in the mail, and read a sentence or two recap, of the races


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i guess i am a moaner. it took me a race or three, but i finally realized it wasn't hobbs, machett, and diffey :) sky microphones they hold helped too

i have complained about espn2's coverage, directly to them, they don't respond. they need a broadcast team of their own, they have plenty of options too.

nbcsports "put their hands in their pockets" and had a contract they paid for and a broadcast team, liberty screwed them in an attempt to get us to buy a streaming package that didn't work. also one of the big shots at liberty has a buddy at espn

do you really think liberty didn't give any money to sky so espn could broadcast it ?

the american team on fox, then nbcsports took criticism from american fans, are we not allowed to criticize the brit team because we are americans ? no brits criticise the broadcast team ?

myself, and most of the "moaners" are "moaning" more about the fact that espn doesn't give a rat's behind about the f1 fan in america. this falls on liberty also. they weren't going to charge miami a fee for a race there. take some of that money and set up a broadcast team

as i said in a prior thread about the us f1 broadcast, beats the hell out of waiting a month to get a car magazine in the mail, and read a sentence or two recap, of the races

I don't know if Liberty Media give Sky any money or not but even then Sky's core business is with their own subscribers.

I haven't heard any moaning about ESPN all I've heard is complaints about Sky.

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I too have contacted ESPN as you did. You make a number of good points. It's particularly frustrating that they delegate F1 to basically a "at least you got something" status, so like it.

BTW, poker, these Moaners that you are Moaning about certainly do not get it for free, (nor does ESPN as I believe they paid a healthy fee to get the F1 broadcast rights). I, personally, pay a healthy fee to get the right cable package so am can get coverage.

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kleefton wrote:
Yeah I'm an american viewer and I have to agree with the sentiment that Sky commentary gets undeserved flak. Some people are just way too sensitive. I never understood this supposed anti Ferrari stance or pro Hamilton stance that people on here are complaining about. Some people like Crofty can be annoying I get that and lately I feel like Rosberg may have an axe to grind, but overall they do a really solid job.

It becomes an extension of the forum if you say one questionable thing about Ferrari then you get labelled.

fortunately, if you say one questionable thing about Lewis, you never get labelled. You sure you want to go down THAT patb, pokerman????
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pc27b wrote:
i guess i am a moaner. it took me a race or three, but i finally realized it wasn't hobbs, machett, and diffey :) sky microphones they hold helped too

i have complained about espn2's coverage, directly to them, they don't respond. they need a broadcast team of their own, they have plenty of options too.

nbcsports "put their hands in their pockets" and had a contract they paid for and a broadcast team, liberty screwed them in an attempt to get us to buy a streaming package that didn't work. also one of the big shots at liberty has a buddy at espn

do you really think liberty didn't give any money to sky so espn could broadcast it ?

the american team on fox, then nbcsports took criticism from american fans, are we not allowed to criticize the brit team because we are americans ? no brits criticise the broadcast team ?

myself, and most of the "moaners" are "moaning" more about the fact that espn doesn't give a rat's behind about the f1 fan in america. this falls on liberty also. they weren't going to charge miami a fee for a race there. take some of that money and set up a broadcast team

as i said in a prior thread about the us f1 broadcast, beats the hell out of waiting a month to get a car magazine in the mail, and read a sentence or two recap, of the races

I don't know if Liberty Media give Sky any money or not but even then Sky's core business is with their own subscribers.

I haven't heard any moaning about ESPN all I've heard is complaints about Sky.


there has been plenty, plenty of moaning about espn2.
blake....liberty gave espn the rights for free after they screwed nbcsports. one of the dudes on the liberty board has a buddy at espn and made a call. they(espn2) aren't paying a penny for f1. i would imagine there is no way sky gave up those rights for free...liberty gave em some cash

and anyhow this has nothing to do with qualifying and i am ready to watch the race and moan about it :lol:


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Thanks pc27, I stand corrected.

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Blake wrote:
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kleefton wrote:
Yeah I'm an american viewer and I have to agree with the sentiment that Sky commentary gets undeserved flak. Some people are just way too sensitive. I never understood this supposed anti Ferrari stance or pro Hamilton stance that people on here are complaining about. Some people like Crofty can be annoying I get that and lately I feel like Rosberg may have an axe to grind, but overall they do a really solid job.

It becomes an extension of the forum if you say one questionable thing about Ferrari then you get labelled.

fortunately, if you say one questionable thing about Lewis, you never get labelled. You sure you want to go down THAT patb, pokerman????
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It depends if it's justified.

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pc27b wrote:
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pc27b wrote:
i guess i am a moaner. it took me a race or three, but i finally realized it wasn't hobbs, machett, and diffey :) sky microphones they hold helped too

i have complained about espn2's coverage, directly to them, they don't respond. they need a broadcast team of their own, they have plenty of options too.

nbcsports "put their hands in their pockets" and had a contract they paid for and a broadcast team, liberty screwed them in an attempt to get us to buy a streaming package that didn't work. also one of the big shots at liberty has a buddy at espn

do you really think liberty didn't give any money to sky so espn could broadcast it ?

the american team on fox, then nbcsports took criticism from american fans, are we not allowed to criticize the brit team because we are americans ? no brits criticise the broadcast team ?

myself, and most of the "moaners" are "moaning" more about the fact that espn doesn't give a rat's behind about the f1 fan in america. this falls on liberty also. they weren't going to charge miami a fee for a race there. take some of that money and set up a broadcast team

as i said in a prior thread about the us f1 broadcast, beats the hell out of waiting a month to get a car magazine in the mail, and read a sentence or two recap, of the races

I don't know if Liberty Media give Sky any money or not but even then Sky's core business is with their own subscribers.

I haven't heard any moaning about ESPN all I've heard is complaints about Sky.


there has been plenty, plenty of moaning about espn2.
blake....liberty gave espn the rights for free after they screwed nbcsports. one of the dudes on the liberty board has a buddy at espn and made a call. they(espn2) aren't paying a penny for f1. i would imagine there is no way sky gave up those rights for free...liberty gave em some cash

and anyhow this has nothing to do with qualifying and i am ready to watch the race and moan about it :lol:

Indeed and that's the only reason I also said it by being informed of this by an American poster.

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Blake wrote:
I too have contacted ESPN as you did. You make a number of good points. It's particularly frustrating that they delegate F1 to basically a "at least you got something" status, so like it.

BTW, poker, these Moaners that you are Moaning about certainly do not get it for free, (nor does ESPN as I believe they paid a healthy fee to get the F1 broadcast rights). I, personally, pay a healthy fee to get the right cable package so am can get coverage.

Now you know the truth you are basically paying for something that your broadcaster gets for free.

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