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PostPosted: Wed Mar 20, 2019 2:22 pm 
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On the other hand outperforming Russell would remove one competitor for the Merc seat. He's already out of a drive so I'm not sure there's too much to lose for Ocon.


He's out of a drive not because his reputation as a driver is poor - he's out of a drive because rich daddy of another driver bought his seat and gave it to his son - that's a different story.
I don't think Ocon needs to prove anything, he just needs to wait for a good opportunity - performing "good" in Williams would help him? maybe... but as someone mentioned before it's way more to lose than to gain. His reputation is good enough to find a good seat next year as soon as it's available, in Williams there is only slight chance he can improve this reputation and big chance he can destroy it so overall - not worth


If he's really that talented Merc could have bought him a seat at Williams but chose not to, for me his driving days are almost non existent anymore.

Say Bottas wins the title this year, he'll end up without a seat in '20, like Sainz he should have gotten out of his contract with Mercedes, got a feeling he's going to end up like Pascal.


Probably it was not worth for Merc. Now we are smarter as Bottas performed well in Australia but before the start many people probably with Merc management included were trying to secure the option in case of scenario when Bottas is failing hard (can still happen... you are as good as your last race) and they need the mid season replacement themselves to fight Ferrari and Ocon was a perfect 3rd driver in this case.


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Rockie wrote:
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On the other hand outperforming Russell would remove one competitor for the Merc seat. He's already out of a drive so I'm not sure there's too much to lose for Ocon.


He's out of a drive not because his reputation as a driver is poor - he's out of a drive because rich daddy of another driver bought his seat and gave it to his son - that's a different story.
I don't think Ocon needs to prove anything, he just needs to wait for a good opportunity - performing "good" in Williams would help him? maybe... but as someone mentioned before it's way more to lose than to gain. His reputation is good enough to find a good seat next year as soon as it's available, in Williams there is only slight chance he can improve this reputation and big chance he can destroy it so overall - not worth


If he's really that talented Merc could have bought him a seat at Williams but chose not to, for me his driving days are almost non existent anymore.

Say Bottas wins the title this year, he'll end up without a seat in '20, like Sainz he should have gotten out of his contract with Mercedes, got a feeling he's going to end up like Pascal.


If Merc release him he won't have much problem getting a drive.


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When we get a hit on the front wing, are we going to lose the entire thing now? :D

Are you just referring to Ricciardo?

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When we get a hit on the front wing, are we going to lose the entire thing now? :D

Are you just referring to Ricciardo?

And Kubica, presumably.

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pokerman wrote:
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On the other hand outperforming Russell would remove one competitor for the Merc seat. He's already out of a drive so I'm not sure there's too much to lose for Ocon.


He's out of a drive not because his reputation as a driver is poor - he's out of a drive because rich daddy of another driver bought his seat and gave it to his son - that's a different story.
I don't think Ocon needs to prove anything, he just needs to wait for a good opportunity - performing "good" in Williams would help him? maybe... but as someone mentioned before it's way more to lose than to gain. His reputation is good enough to find a good seat next year as soon as it's available, in Williams there is only slight chance he can improve this reputation and big chance he can destroy it so overall - not worth


If he's really that talented Merc could have bought him a seat at Williams but chose not to, for me his driving days are almost non existent anymore.

Say Bottas wins the title this year, he'll end up without a seat in '20, like Sainz he should have gotten out of his contract with Mercedes, got a feeling he's going to end up like Pascal.

Don't they say one swallow doesn't make a summer?

Bottas starting a season strongly is not something new, he's done that the past 2 years, now we have him as the WDC because he won the first race?


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When we get a hit on the front wing, are we going to lose the entire thing now? :D

Are you just referring to Ricciardo?

And Kubica, presumably.

I'm not sure what happened with Kubica, in respect to Ricciardo it was the size of the impact that caused the 2 mounting points to fail, not just a case of the front wing itself being so fragile.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 21, 2019 2:44 pm 
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Rockie wrote:
pokerman wrote:
Rockie wrote:
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On the other hand outperforming Russell would remove one competitor for the Merc seat. He's already out of a drive so I'm not sure there's too much to lose for Ocon.


He's out of a drive not because his reputation as a driver is poor - he's out of a drive because rich daddy of another driver bought his seat and gave it to his son - that's a different story.
I don't think Ocon needs to prove anything, he just needs to wait for a good opportunity - performing "good" in Williams would help him? maybe... but as someone mentioned before it's way more to lose than to gain. His reputation is good enough to find a good seat next year as soon as it's available, in Williams there is only slight chance he can improve this reputation and big chance he can destroy it so overall - not worth


If he's really that talented Merc could have bought him a seat at Williams but chose not to, for me his driving days are almost non existent anymore.

Say Bottas wins the title this year, he'll end up without a seat in '20, like Sainz he should have gotten out of his contract with Mercedes, got a feeling he's going to end up like Pascal.

Don't they say one swallow doesn't make a summer?

Bottas starting a season strongly is not something new, he's done that the past 2 years, now we have him as the WDC because he won the first race?


Read to comprehend, not just to reply!

Why speculate then on something that you don't think will happen?

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 23, 2019 4:30 pm 
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pokerman wrote:
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Read to comprehend, not just to reply!

Why speculate then on something that you don't think will happen?


You still don't read to comprehend, you just want to reply to every and anything.

To speculate simply means to guess or form a theory about a topic without firm evidence.

Nowhere in there did I say I have it authoritatively from Mercedes this is what is going to happen, like every other person it was my opinion which I explicitly stated!


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Rockie wrote:
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Read to comprehend, not just to reply!

Why speculate then on something that you don't think will happen?


You still don't read to comprehend, you just want to reply to every and anything.

To speculate simply means to guess or form a theory about a topic without firm evidence.

Nowhere in there did I say I have it authoritatively from Mercedes this is what is going to happen, like every other person it was my opinion which I explicitly stated!

It seems quite pointless to say that Ocon will not get the Mercedes drive if Bottas wins the WDC if you don't even believe that might happen.

I wonder if this had been mooted if Bottas had not won the first race?

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Trying to restrict people from speculating on events not to your liking are we, poker?

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I wonder if this had been mooted if Bottas had not won the first race?

Probably not. Nobody expected him to win. But considering that he has, doesn't that make it a relevant topic of discussion?

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Trying to restrict people from speculating on events not to your liking are we, poker?

So you don't think crowning Bottas as the WDC because he won the opening race is not somewhat fanciful, also bearing in mind that Bottas has form for starting strongly and then fading, it's strange how I can sit in the middle on Bottas and still get picked apart.

I'm not the one that says Bottas is the worse driver in the top teams and don't even rate him as a top 10 driver, likewise I'm not the one looking to crown Bottas as the WDC because he's won the first race.

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I wonder if this had been mooted if Bottas had not won the first race?

Probably not. Nobody expected him to win. But considering that he has, doesn't that make it a relevant topic of discussion?

I think it's a stretch to suggest that Ocon will not get the Mercedes seat in 2020 if Bottas wins the WDC because he won the first race if the belief is that it may well happen. Bottas finishes 5th in Bahrain then no doubt the knives will come out again, such things are so fickle.

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pokerman wrote:
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Trying to restrict people from speculating on events not to your liking are we, poker?

So you don't think crowning Bottas as the WDC because he won the opening race is not somewhat fanciful, also bearing in mind that Bottas has form for starting strongly and then fading, it's strange how I can sit in the middle on Bottas and still get picked apart.

I'm not the one that says Bottas is the worse driver in the top teams and don't even rate him as a top 10 driver, likewise I'm not the one looking to crown Bottas as the WDC because he's won the first race.

Rockie didn't say Bottas would win the WDC, he didn't even say that he thought that he would.

He simply offered a hypothetical that if Bottas did win the WDC then Ocon replacing him would be unlikely. A hypothetical doesn't have to be based on a realistic prospect anyway but Bottas is currently leading the WDC and appears to be in a car capable of challenging for it over the season so it's hardly an impossible scenario.

Your objection to this is a little absurd tbh.


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pokerman wrote:
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Trying to restrict people from speculating on events not to your liking are we, poker?

So you don't think crowning Bottas as the WDC because he won the opening race is not somewhat fanciful, also bearing in mind that Bottas has form for starting strongly and then fading, it's strange how I can sit in the middle on Bottas and still get picked apart.

I'm not the one that says Bottas is the worse driver in the top teams and don't even rate him as a top 10 driver, likewise I'm not the one looking to crown Bottas as the WDC because he's won the first race.

Rockie didn't say Bottas would win the WDC, he didn't even say that he thought that he would.

He simply offered a hypothetical that if Bottas did win the WDC then Ocon replacing him would be unlikely. A hypothetical doesn't have to be based on a realistic prospect anyway but Bottas is currently leading the WDC and appears to be in a car capable of challenging for it over the season so it's hardly an impossible scenario.

Your objection to this is a little absurd tbh.

It's an obvious statement that Bottas would be retained in that circumstance but still very much based around Bottas winning the opening race.

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pokerman wrote:
Black_Flag_11 wrote:
pokerman wrote:
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Trying to restrict people from speculating on events not to your liking are we, poker?

So you don't think crowning Bottas as the WDC because he won the opening race is not somewhat fanciful, also bearing in mind that Bottas has form for starting strongly and then fading, it's strange how I can sit in the middle on Bottas and still get picked apart.

I'm not the one that says Bottas is the worse driver in the top teams and don't even rate him as a top 10 driver, likewise I'm not the one looking to crown Bottas as the WDC because he's won the first race.

Rockie didn't say Bottas would win the WDC, he didn't even say that he thought that he would.

He simply offered a hypothetical that if Bottas did win the WDC then Ocon replacing him would be unlikely. A hypothetical doesn't have to be based on a realistic prospect anyway but Bottas is currently leading the WDC and appears to be in a car capable of challenging for it over the season so it's hardly an impossible scenario.

Your objection to this is a little absurd tbh.

It's an obvious statement that Bottas would be retained in that circumstance but still very much based around Bottas winning the opening race.

And if it was that would be an issue how? Bottas winning the first race doesn't make it a less realistic hypothetical.


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Black_Flag_11 wrote:
pokerman wrote:
Black_Flag_11 wrote:
pokerman wrote:
Covalent wrote:
Trying to restrict people from speculating on events not to your liking are we, poker?

So you don't think crowning Bottas as the WDC because he won the opening race is not somewhat fanciful, also bearing in mind that Bottas has form for starting strongly and then fading, it's strange how I can sit in the middle on Bottas and still get picked apart.

I'm not the one that says Bottas is the worse driver in the top teams and don't even rate him as a top 10 driver, likewise I'm not the one looking to crown Bottas as the WDC because he's won the first race.

Rockie didn't say Bottas would win the WDC, he didn't even say that he thought that he would.

He simply offered a hypothetical that if Bottas did win the WDC then Ocon replacing him would be unlikely. A hypothetical doesn't have to be based on a realistic prospect anyway but Bottas is currently leading the WDC and appears to be in a car capable of challenging for it over the season so it's hardly an impossible scenario.

Your objection to this is a little absurd tbh.

It's an obvious statement that Bottas would be retained in that circumstance but still very much based around Bottas winning the opening race.

And if it was that would be an issue how? Bottas winning the first race doesn't make it a less realistic hypothetical.

Not worthy of debate?

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pokerman wrote:
Black_Flag_11 wrote:
pokerman wrote:
Black_Flag_11 wrote:
pokerman wrote:
So you don't think crowning Bottas as the WDC because he won the opening race is not somewhat fanciful, also bearing in mind that Bottas has form for starting strongly and then fading, it's strange how I can sit in the middle on Bottas and still get picked apart.

I'm not the one that says Bottas is the worse driver in the top teams and don't even rate him as a top 10 driver, likewise I'm not the one looking to crown Bottas as the WDC because he's won the first race.

Rockie didn't say Bottas would win the WDC, he didn't even say that he thought that he would.

He simply offered a hypothetical that if Bottas did win the WDC then Ocon replacing him would be unlikely. A hypothetical doesn't have to be based on a realistic prospect anyway but Bottas is currently leading the WDC and appears to be in a car capable of challenging for it over the season so it's hardly an impossible scenario.

Your objection to this is a little absurd tbh.

It's an obvious statement that Bottas would be retained in that circumstance but still very much based around Bottas winning the opening race.

And if it was that would be an issue how? Bottas winning the first race doesn't make it a less realistic hypothetical.

Not worthy of debate?

Then don´t debate if you don´t deem it worthy. Let others debate what they want.

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If speculating that the guy leading the championship could possibly win it is reasonable.


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Covalent wrote:
pokerman wrote:
Black_Flag_11 wrote:
pokerman wrote:
Black_Flag_11 wrote:
Rockie didn't say Bottas would win the WDC, he didn't even say that he thought that he would.

He simply offered a hypothetical that if Bottas did win the WDC then Ocon replacing him would be unlikely. A hypothetical doesn't have to be based on a realistic prospect anyway but Bottas is currently leading the WDC and appears to be in a car capable of challenging for it over the season so it's hardly an impossible scenario.

Your objection to this is a little absurd tbh.

It's an obvious statement that Bottas would be retained in that circumstance but still very much based around Bottas winning the opening race.

And if it was that would be an issue how? Bottas winning the first race doesn't make it a less realistic hypothetical.

Not worthy of debate?

Then don´t debate if you don´t deem it worthy. Let others debate what they want.

Did I say it's not worthy of debate?

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Did I say it's not worthy of debate?

Yes, three posts up.

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Black_Flag_11 wrote:
pokerman wrote:
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Trying to restrict people from speculating on events not to your liking are we, poker?

So you don't think crowning Bottas as the WDC because he won the opening race is not somewhat fanciful, also bearing in mind that Bottas has form for starting strongly and then fading, it's strange how I can sit in the middle on Bottas and still get picked apart.

I'm not the one that says Bottas is the worse driver in the top teams and don't even rate him as a top 10 driver, likewise I'm not the one looking to crown Bottas as the WDC because he's won the first race.

Rockie didn't say Bottas would win the WDC, he didn't even say that he thought that he would.

He simply offered a hypothetical that if Bottas did win the WDC then Ocon replacing him would be unlikely. A hypothetical doesn't have to be based on a realistic prospect anyway but Bottas is currently leading the WDC and appears to be in a car capable of challenging for it over the season so it's hardly an impossible scenario.

Your objection to this is a little absurd tbh.


I still don't understand how hard it is to decipher this!


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Did I say it's not worthy of debate?

Yes, three posts up.

No that's me questioning is it not worthy of debate because me questioning the idea of Bottas being WDC got some what shot down.

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Well, although next race will only be the 2nd race, I feel it may be difficult for Hamilton to pull ahead of Bottas in the points. I think the track is more likely to suit red bull and Ferrari and with an 8 points difference, Bottas would have to finish many places further back. Even if Hamilton finished 2nd and Bottas was 5th, they would have the same number of points unless hamilton set fastest lap. If Mercedes comfortably win, Bottas would have to finish 3rd or lower.

I know it is not realistic to expect Bottas to beat Hamilton, but I do feel it will be a fair bit closer this year. Hopefully Bottas will be able to have good drives in China and Baku like he did last year. If Hamilton doesn't get up to speed quickly, It could be possible that Bottas may be ahead of him for the first quarter of the season. But I wouldn't expect it to continue throughout.


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pokerman wrote:
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Did I say it's not worthy of debate?

Yes, three posts up.

No that's me questioning is it not worthy of debate because me questioning the idea of Bottas being WDC got some what shot down.



You're trying to stifle any debate on the premises that speculating over a possible Bottas WDC is somehow not acceptable since he won the first race.

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Let it go guys, Bahrain is upon us and we all know that debate is going nowhere.

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