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If his car was damaged then it was Hamilton that damaged it, why the angst?

Car was damaged (missing a piece) but it wasn't Hamilton that did it.


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Hamilton floor damage.

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Ocon's careful clapping after Bottas' win. :lol: :thumbup:


yeah, kinda hilarious xd

It's a double-edged sword for Esteban. In one sense, he wants Bottas to fail so he can take over the 77. On the other hand, he's just witnessed that a driver can beat Hamilton on raw pace without unusual circumstances.


I would call a large hole in Hamilton's undertray "unusual circumstances". :nod:

Valtteri did beat him off the line heads up but especially after the pitstop Lewis was having problems that could be explained by the damaged floor.

I wasn't aware of that in-race :P

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Hamilton floor damage.

https://twitter.com/SomersF1/status/1107411235849596934

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Well folks. I fell in love with f1 along about 1953-4 when the tires were skinny and the drivers were fat. I’ve always been a fan of Ferrari but this years hype finally did me in. The pre season “Ferrari is on it this year has finished f1 for me.

That kind of defines for me is what exactly is a F1 fan, I see myself as a F1 fan because even though I tend to be a fan of drivers when that driver retires then I basically move on to the next driver or become more of a neutral observer like I did between 1994-2006.

I never been a fan of teams and in respect to Ferrari when I started watching F1 they were a team that never delivered so I wouldn't have seen them as being anything special anyway so I never got that instant aura with them.

So for me a fan that only watches F1 if a certain team does well or until a certain driver retires is not really a fan of F1 per se.

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If his car was damaged then it was Hamilton that damaged it, why the angst?

Car was damaged (missing a piece) but it wasn't Hamilton that did it.

I have seen the posts below but I also heard before coming back to the board that Hamilton ran over Ricciardo's debris on the second lap which damaged his floor which is kind of a relief because I wouldn't like to believe the Mercedes floor could be damaged by running slightly too wide on a corner, we had both Verstappen and Leclerc totally off the track and onto the grass in the race without damaging their floors.

So in this instance it probably can't be seen as being Hamilton's fault seeing as I don't believe Bottas was blamed for running over debris in Baku I just recall it being said the punctured tyre was bad luck, to this end I wonder if we will be hearing again from the poster that said excuses, excuses, excuses, but I doubt it?

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Oh so it was actually lap 4 on Kubica's debris.

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Good drive by Bottas. Nail the start and if you can get to the first corner first, in a Mercedes, you should be able to win the race in Australia.

It's OK to say you are going to change things if you actually get the results. What Bottas needed was to do the same thing as Rosberg and get ruthless. You can be slower than Hamilton and still beat him, but you can't beat him and the team, so you have to put yourself first.

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Good drive by Bottas. Nail the start and if you can get to the first corner first, in a Mercedes, you should be able to win the race in Australia.

It's OK to say you are going to change things if you actually get the results. What Bottas needed was to do the same thing as Rosberg and get ruthless. You can be slower than Hamilton and still beat him, but you can't beat him and the team, so you have to put yourself first.

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Rosberg got ruthless by being prepared to come to blows with Hamilton on the track, I doubt we will see Bottas crashing with Hamilton.

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The Trulli Train is back :twisted:


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My observation of the race weekend is Robert Kubica has no business driving a Formula 1 car. There are plenty of young drivers that deserve a chance.


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My observation of the race weekend is Robert Kubica has no business driving a Formula 1 car. There are plenty of young drivers that deserve a chance.


This!


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That explains a lot. Bit of bad luck for Lewis there but I think 2nd place is solid damage limitation all things considered.


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My observation of the race weekend is Robert Kubica has no business driving a Formula 1 car. There are plenty of young drivers that deserve a chance.


As he was well out-qualified by Russell and Norris I have to agree.

I'm surprised Norris's performance hasn't been more lauded. He not only out-qualified Sainz and both Renaults (!) on his F1 debut, but he drove a mature and error-free race. That's far more than Leclerc did on his debut last year..

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The Trulli Train is back :twisted:


Headed by who?

I thought the midfield train did manage to sort itself into a race-speed order pretty well, especially as Melbourne is very bad for overtaking. It looked to me that the new aero package has allowed cars to run a little closer together.


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My observation of the race weekend is Robert Kubica has no business driving a Formula 1 car. There are plenty of young drivers that deserve a chance.


As he was well out-qualified by Russell and Norris I have to agree.

I'm surprised Norris's performance hasn't been more lauded. He not only out-qualified Sainz and both Renaults (!) on his F1 debut, but he drove a mature and error-free race. That's far more than Leclerc did on his debut last year..

A future champion?


His race was OK. He couldn't pass Giovinazzi though when those ahead of him and behind him dispensed the Italian in just a few corners. Points were on the table for him yesterday.


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My observation of the race weekend is Robert Kubica has no business driving a Formula 1 car. There are plenty of young drivers that deserve a chance.


As he was well out-qualified by Russell and Norris I have to agree.

I'm surprised Norris's performance hasn't been more lauded. He not only out-qualified Sainz and both Renaults (!) on his F1 debut, but he drove a mature and error-free race. That's far more than Leclerc did on his debut last year..

A future champion?

He out qualified Sainz because his lap was spoiled by Kubica's crash otherwise it would have been close.

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My observation of the race weekend is Robert Kubica has no business driving a Formula 1 car. There are plenty of young drivers that deserve a chance.

As he was well out-qualified by Russell and Norris I have to agree.

Russel is fair, but Norris was driving a much faster car. I don't think you can compare the Williams drivers to anyone but each other this year, sadly.

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My observation of the race weekend is Robert Kubica has no business driving a Formula 1 car. There are plenty of young drivers that deserve a chance.


As he was well out-qualified by Russell and Norris I have to agree.

I'm surprised Norris's performance hasn't been more lauded. He not only out-qualified Sainz and both Renaults (!) on his F1 debut, but he drove a mature and error-free race. That's far more than Leclerc did on his debut last year..

A future champion?


His race was OK. He couldn't pass Giovinazzi though when those ahead of him and behind him dispensed the Italian in just a few corners. Points were on the table for him yesterday.


Actually, only Magnussen (relatively quick) and Norris (after a much longer time) managed to overtake Giovinazzi by means of racecraft. Hülkenberg benefited from Magnussen 's efforts, Räikkönen was waved by and the ones behind Norris profited from his efforts.


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My observation of the race weekend is Robert Kubica has no business driving a Formula 1 car. There are plenty of young drivers that deserve a chance.

As he was well out-qualified by Russell and Norris I have to agree.

Russel is fair, but Norris was driving a much faster car. I don't think you can compare the Williams drivers to anyone but each other this year, sadly.

I've just looked at the timing sheets and it's quite damning for Kubica, both Williams drivers did 3 runs in Q1, after the first run Russell was 1 second quicker than Kubica, they both improved their times in their second runs with Russell again being 1 second quicker than Kubica, in their 3rd runs Kubica crashed.

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My observation of the race weekend is Robert Kubica has no business driving a Formula 1 car. There are plenty of young drivers that deserve a chance.

As he was well out-qualified by Russell and Norris I have to agree.

Russel is fair, but Norris was driving a much faster car. I don't think you can compare the Williams drivers to anyone but each other this year, sadly.

I've just looked at the timing sheets and it's quite damning for Kubica, both Williams drivers did 3 runs in Q1, after the first run Russell was 1 second quicker than Kubica, they both improved their times in their second runs with Russell again being 1 second quicker than Kubica, in their 3rd runs Kubica crashed.

Not arguing at all with the basic assertion that Kubica wasn't good this weekend - I just don't think you can compare someone driving a Williams with someone who's not. Norris was going to be faster than him whatever happened. You could put Hamilton in that car and I'm sure Norris would still be faster in a McLaren. The 2019 Williams is astonishingly bad.

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Exediron wrote:
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My observation of the race weekend is Robert Kubica has no business driving a Formula 1 car. There are plenty of young drivers that deserve a chance.

As he was well out-qualified by Russell and Norris I have to agree.

Russel is fair, but Norris was driving a much faster car. I don't think you can compare the Williams drivers to anyone but each other this year, sadly.

I've just looked at the timing sheets and it's quite damning for Kubica, both Williams drivers did 3 runs in Q1, after the first run Russell was 1 second quicker than Kubica, they both improved their times in their second runs with Russell again being 1 second quicker than Kubica, in their 3rd runs Kubica crashed.

Not arguing at all with the basic assertion that Kubica wasn't good this weekend - I just don't think you can compare someone driving a Williams with someone who's not. Norris was going to be faster than him whatever happened. You could put Hamilton in that car and I'm sure Norris would still be faster in a McLaren. The 2019 Williams is astonishingly bad.

The car being bad doesn't change the fact that Kubica was 1 second slower than his teammate that was the only comparison I was making, if you want to compare with Norris then I believe he would have been much closer to Russell.

I actually want Kubica to do well but it is what it is.

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The car being bad doesn't change the fact that Kubica was 1 second slower than his teammate that was the only comparison I was making, if you want to compare with Norris then I believe he would have been much closer to Russell.

I actually want Kubica to do well but it is what it is.

I'm aware of that. But I started by responding to a poster who said of Kubica ''As he was well out-qualified by Russell and Norris I have to agree [that he doesn't belong on the grid].' I am simply stating that Kubica being out-qualified by Norris is meaningless. With the car difference they have, Norris would have out-qualified anyone in that Williams.

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The car being bad doesn't change the fact that Kubica was 1 second slower than his teammate that was the only comparison I was making, if you want to compare with Norris then I believe he would have been much closer to Russell.

I actually want Kubica to do well but it is what it is.

I'm aware of that. But I started by responding to a poster who said of Kubica ''As he was well out-qualified by Russell and Norris I have to agree [that he doesn't belong on the grid].' I am simply stating that Kubica being out-qualified by Norris is meaningless. With the car difference they have, Norris would have out-qualified anyone in that Williams.

Fair enough I was just wanting to interject into the conversation because I actually didn't realise just how poorly Kubica did in qualifying until I looked at the timing sheets.

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Fair enough I was just wanting to interject into the conversation because I actually didn't realise just how poorly Kubica did in qualifying until I looked at the timing sheets.


Let's not forget he had two minor crashes too - maybe misjudgements of his car's width or lack of 100% steering control due to his injuries. He did not make the grade after testing with Renault, and to be honest it looks like Williams overcame their doubts because of the money he is bringing. I think that alone could keep him in F1 this year.


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My observation of the race weekend is Robert Kubica has no business driving a Formula 1 car. There are plenty of young drivers that deserve a chance.


This!

Ocon in by mid-season, if not sooner.

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Fair enough I was just wanting to interject into the conversation because I actually didn't realise just how poorly Kubica did in qualifying until I looked at the timing sheets.


Let's not forget he had two minor crashes too - maybe misjudgements of his car's width or lack of 100% steering control due to his injuries. He did not make the grade after testing with Renault, and to be honest it looks like Williams overcame their doubts because of the money he is bringing. I think that alone could keep him in F1 this year.

Maybe, maybe not, there are rumours that Williams are still waiting on the Kubica money along with the Stroll money and that's why they are so short of parts.

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My observation of the race weekend is Robert Kubica has no business driving a Formula 1 car. There are plenty of young drivers that deserve a chance.


This!

Ocon in by mid-season, if not sooner.

For Monaco. That's at least what I think.

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My observation of the race weekend is Robert Kubica has no business driving a Formula 1 car. There are plenty of young drivers that deserve a chance.


This!

Ocon in by mid-season, if not sooner.

For Monaco. That's at least what I think.

If I were Ocon I'd steer clear of that car with all of my might. There is nothing to be gained there. The car is too slow to beat anyone on another team and his own teammate is an even younger Mercedes stable-mate. He has nothing to gain and much to lose if Russel out-performs him and Russel will be much more comfortable in the car than Ocon is.


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My observation of the race weekend is Robert Kubica has no business driving a Formula 1 car. There are plenty of young drivers that deserve a chance.


This!

Ocon in by mid-season, if not sooner.

For Monaco. That's at least what I think.

If I were Ocon I'd steer clear of that car with all of my might. There is nothing to be gained there. The car is too slow to beat anyone on another team and his own teammate is an even younger Mercedes stable-mate. He has nothing to gain and much to lose if Russel out-performs him and Russel will be much more comfortable in the car than Ocon is.

But if you were Ocon, would you rather stand next to Toto in the Mercedes pit or keep your driving skills sharp and see what comes along in 2020?

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MistaVega23 wrote:
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My observation of the race weekend is Robert Kubica has no business driving a Formula 1 car. There are plenty of young drivers that deserve a chance.


This!

Ocon in by mid-season, if not sooner.


Why would Ocon wants to drive this car? xD Totally pointless move and if Russell is faster than him (which is likely) his F1 career is over.
It's not that easy to terminate contract with a driver when you have complicated combined deal with his sponsors as well. Williams is not in the position to pay any compensations. And after all driver change will not change anything and will not give Williams a single point more at the end of the season.
The last thing is that it was the first race weekend since 8 years, give the guy a break ;) Let's see if he can start closing the gap to Russell in next races


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For Monaco. That's at least what I think.

If I were Ocon I'd steer clear of that car with all of my might. There is nothing to be gained there. The car is too slow to beat anyone on another team and his own teammate is an even younger Mercedes stable-mate. He has nothing to gain and much to lose if Russel out-performs him and Russel will be much more comfortable in the car than Ocon is.

But if you were Ocon, would you rather stand next to Toto in the Mercedes pit or keep your driving skills sharp and see what comes along in 2020?

2020 is not guaranteed. Defeat at the hands of Russel woould seriously damage his career and leave him begging the likes of Haas for an opportunity. He can keep his skills sharp by driving on the occasional Friday session and in the in-season tests. I would NOT leave that position (a position where he is next in line at Mercedes) unless there were actually something to gain from it.


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For Monaco. That's at least what I think.

If I were Ocon I'd steer clear of that car with all of my might. There is nothing to be gained there. The car is too slow to beat anyone on another team and his own teammate is an even younger Mercedes stable-mate. He has nothing to gain and much to lose if Russel out-performs him and Russel will be much more comfortable in the car than Ocon is.

But if you were Ocon, would you rather stand next to Toto in the Mercedes pit or keep your driving skills sharp and see what comes along in 2020?

2020 is not guaranteed. Defeat at the hands of Russel woould seriously damage his career and leave him begging the likes of Haas for an opportunity. He can keep his skills sharp by driving on the occasional Friday session and in the in-season tests. I would NOT leave that position (a position where he is next in line at Mercedes) unless there were actually something to gain from it.

I think if he were asked by Mercedes to drive the Williams and turned it down that would probably do as much damage to his chances as getting beat by Russell tbh.


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MistaVega23 wrote:
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My observation of the race weekend is Robert Kubica has no business driving a Formula 1 car. There are plenty of young drivers that deserve a chance.


This!

Ocon in by mid-season, if not sooner.

For Monaco. That's at least what I think.

If I were Ocon I'd steer clear of that car with all of my might. There is nothing to be gained there. The car is too slow to beat anyone on another team and his own teammate is an even younger Mercedes stable-mate. He has nothing to gain and much to lose if Russel out-performs him and Russel will be much more comfortable in the car than Ocon is.

I agree, poor car and I think Russell is capable of beating him, it could be a career killer.

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Mayox wrote:
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My observation of the race weekend is Robert Kubica has no business driving a Formula 1 car. There are plenty of young drivers that deserve a chance.


This!

Ocon in by mid-season, if not sooner.


Why would Ocon wants to drive this car? xD Totally pointless move and if Russell is faster than him (which is likely) his F1 career is over.
It's not that easy to terminate contract with a driver when you have complicated combined deal with his sponsors as well. Williams is not in the position to pay any compensations. And after all driver change will not change anything and will not give Williams a single point more at the end of the season.
The last thing is that it was the first race weekend since 8 years, give the guy a break ;) Let's see if he can start closing the gap to Russell in next races

On the other hand outperforming Russell would remove one competitor for the Merc seat. He's already out of a drive so I'm not sure there's too much to lose for Ocon.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 20, 2019 10:19 am 
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Covalent wrote:
On the other hand outperforming Russell would remove one competitor for the Merc seat. He's already out of a drive so I'm not sure there's too much to lose for Ocon.


He's out of a drive not because his reputation as a driver is poor - he's out of a drive because rich daddy of another driver bought his seat and gave it to his son - that's a different story.
I don't think Ocon needs to prove anything, he just needs to wait for a good opportunity - performing "good" in Williams would help him? maybe... but as someone mentioned before it's way more to lose than to gain. His reputation is good enough to find a good seat next year as soon as it's available, in Williams there is only slight chance he can improve this reputation and big chance he can destroy it so overall - not worth


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 20, 2019 11:18 am 
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Interesting analysis that Ferrari had PU problem in Australia
https://www.f1analisitecnica.com/2019/03/gp-australia-analisi-ferrari-sf90-la.html


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 20, 2019 1:22 pm 
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Mayox wrote:
Covalent wrote:
On the other hand outperforming Russell would remove one competitor for the Merc seat. He's already out of a drive so I'm not sure there's too much to lose for Ocon.


He's out of a drive not because his reputation as a driver is poor - he's out of a drive because rich daddy of another driver bought his seat and gave it to his son - that's a different story.
I don't think Ocon needs to prove anything, he just needs to wait for a good opportunity - performing "good" in Williams would help him? maybe... but as someone mentioned before it's way more to lose than to gain. His reputation is good enough to find a good seat next year as soon as it's available, in Williams there is only slight chance he can improve this reputation and big chance he can destroy it so overall - not worth


If he's really that talented Merc could have bought him a seat at Williams but chose not to, for me his driving days are almost non existent anymore.

Say Bottas wins the title this year, he'll end up without a seat in '20, like Sainz he should have gotten out of his contract with Mercedes, got a feeling he's going to end up like Pascal.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 20, 2019 1:29 pm 
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Rockie wrote:
Mayox wrote:
Covalent wrote:
On the other hand outperforming Russell would remove one competitor for the Merc seat. He's already out of a drive so I'm not sure there's too much to lose for Ocon.


He's out of a drive not because his reputation as a driver is poor - he's out of a drive because rich daddy of another driver bought his seat and gave it to his son - that's a different story.
I don't think Ocon needs to prove anything, he just needs to wait for a good opportunity - performing "good" in Williams would help him? maybe... but as someone mentioned before it's way more to lose than to gain. His reputation is good enough to find a good seat next year as soon as it's available, in Williams there is only slight chance he can improve this reputation and big chance he can destroy it so overall - not worth


If he's really that talented Merc could have bought him a seat at Williams but chose not to, for me his driving days are almost non existent anymore.

Say Bottas wins the title this year, he'll end up without a seat in '20, like Sainz he should have gotten out of his contract with Mercedes, got a feeling he's going to end up like Pascal.

Don't they say one swallow doesn't make a summer?

Bottas starting a season strongly is not something new, he's done that the past 2 years, now we have him as the WDC because he won the first race?

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2013: 5th Place
2014: Champion
2015: 3rd Place
2016: 4th Place

2017: 9th Place
2018: 7th place


Wins: Canada 2018, Abu Dhabi 2017
Podiums: (8)


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When we get a hit on the front wing, are we going to lose the entire thing now? :D


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