sandman1347 wrote:
pokerman wrote:
sandman1347 wrote:
I called this from when he announced that he was signing with them. What a poor career move. The worst I've seen in MotoGP. Zarco was the hottest prospect in the 2017-2018 time frame. I can't fathom why he chose to go to the only factory team that was nowhere.
He had the chance to go to Repsol Honda but didn't fancy his chances against Marquez.
Going up against Marquez at Honda is a bit like going up against Verstappen at Red Bull, potential career suicide, ask Lorenzo and Gasly.
I don't think that comparison holds. Verstappen is not Marquez. Daniel was able to beat him 2 years out of 3 wheres Marc was able to beat Pedrosa in his rookie year and has never really come close to losing to a teammate. There has never been a driver in F1 who makes the same impact that Marc makes in MotoGP and the nature of F1 basically makes that impossible. MotoGP just has a much better balance between how important the man is and how important the machine is. Prior to this year, in 4 full seasons in F1, Max has a 2-2 record in the points and a 2-2 record in qualifying.
Despite that, Zarco would have done better to join Honda. At least there he would be finishing on the podium and probably winning the occasional race. From there he could potentially move to another top team if he found things too difficult at Honda.
Marquez had far more experience than Verstappen, he rode on the GP circus for 5 years before making his MotoGP debut as opposed to Verstappen who had 1 years car experience before joining F1, Marquez was also 3 years older.
Marquez's teammate Pedrosa was actually beating Marquez after 6 races and had a 30 point lead, however Pedrosa got injured had to miss a race and raced 2 races injured, he finished 34 points behind Marquez. Strangely exactly the same fate befell Lorenzo at the exact same races, he finished 4 points behind Marquez despite winning 2 races more.
A year later aged 21 is when there was the first sign of Marquez taking a control of the sport, the same age as Verstappen is now, although a year later was not a great year were he coped poorly with having an inferior bike for the most part.
Those years before the age of 21 contained Marquez dominating the sport still. Marques at 17 dominated the 125 category and won the title. At 18 he was the top rider in the Moto2 category but he did not win the title only due to missing races with injury. At 19 he won the Moto2 title in dominant fashion. Dani Pedrosa is at least the equivalent of Daniel Ricciardo as a rider and Marc beat him in his first year at 20. Yes Dani did struggle with injuries that year but Marc won the title and then had a record breaking year at the same age (slightly younger) that Max is now. He won 13 races that year at 21 years of age!
Yes Max had one year of car experience when he first came into F1 but he did not win the title in that one year in F3 (Ocon did). He was out-qualified by Sainz as a rookie and Carlos had such bad luck with reliability that you can't really compare their race results from 2015. He was out-qualified and out-raced by Ricciardo in 2016 and beaten in the points by Daniel the following year as well (although I would say that was mostly down to poor reliability). My point is not that Max isn't great or that he won't some day establish himself as the best. That's all possible. My point is that he isn't even a champion and he certainly isn't Marc Marquez (a rider considered by most to be the best ever). Max still has to prove all the things you seem to want to hand him.
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You can here the kneesliders at work but a drawback seems to be if someone crashes. They are so heavy if they hit the airfence the fence blows. There are also a number of procedures to follow after a crash; in some situations it requires a red flag, the bikes has to have a special covering laid over it until a truck arrives that seals the bike inside the truck.
